Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Dukhovny
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The result was redirect to Alef Aeronautics. ✗plicit 00:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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Biography of a CEO of a company, Alef Aeronautics, which is developing a 'flying car'. The article fails to demonstrate that Dukhovny himself, rather than the company and its proposed project, is notable by Wikipedia criteria. The sourcing (some of which looks questionable) consists entirely of articles discussing the project, and of interviews with Dukhovny - interviews are of course not independent of the subject, and thus cannot be used to demonstrate notability. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Technology, and Aviation. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Engineering, Ukraine, and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Alef Aeronautics: since that is what he is known for. Fails WP:NBASIC. Interviews do not count towards notability. All other coverage focuses on the company and only offers trivial mentions of Dukhovny. C F A 💬 02:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- According to WP:NBASIC multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. Jim Dukhovny has been featured in major outlets such as CNN, CNBC, Reuters, Fox Business, ABC for his role in creating the prototype of the flying car.Jacob0790 (talk) 17:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Interviews cannot be used to demonstrate notability. We need evidence of in-depth coverage independent of Dukhovny himself, and not of the Alef project. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- If not for Jim Dukhovny, the Alef project would not exist—it's that simple. Just as Tesla is inseparable from Musk and Telegram from Durov. If Alef Aeronautics is notable, then Dukhovny is notable as well. Please note that this article is a stub, and the community is welcome to contribute to its improvement. Jacob0790 (talk) 18:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your misunderstanding of Wikipedia notability criteria duly noted (see WP:NOTINHERITED). As is your absurd attempt to argue around it by analogy. Tesla (with Musk's help, or perhaps despite it) makes cars, by the million. Alef makes promises. And publicity. If and when they actually get a 'flying car' on the market in significant numbers, maybe sources will write enough about Dukhovny to justify an article. Meanwhile, per Wikipedia policy, we don't write about people just because they talk a lot about themselves. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The difference is where people talk about themselves. The fact that major news outlets have covered Dukhovny and his work shows that his activities have already attracted significant public and media attention. Jacob0790 (talk) 21:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have no idea what you think you are going to achieve by repeating yourself. A biography of Dukhovny, like any other, needs in-depth independent sourcing. Not just to demonstrate notability, but to enable us to actually write anything of consequence about him. It doesn't exist. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The difference is where people talk about themselves. The fact that major news outlets have covered Dukhovny and his work shows that his activities have already attracted significant public and media attention. Jacob0790 (talk) 21:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your misunderstanding of Wikipedia notability criteria duly noted (see WP:NOTINHERITED). As is your absurd attempt to argue around it by analogy. Tesla (with Musk's help, or perhaps despite it) makes cars, by the million. Alef makes promises. And publicity. If and when they actually get a 'flying car' on the market in significant numbers, maybe sources will write enough about Dukhovny to justify an article. Meanwhile, per Wikipedia policy, we don't write about people just because they talk a lot about themselves. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- If not for Jim Dukhovny, the Alef project would not exist—it's that simple. Just as Tesla is inseparable from Musk and Telegram from Durov. If Alef Aeronautics is notable, then Dukhovny is notable as well. Please note that this article is a stub, and the community is welcome to contribute to its improvement. Jacob0790 (talk) 18:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Interviews cannot be used to demonstrate notability. We need evidence of in-depth coverage independent of Dukhovny himself, and not of the Alef project. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per above. As co-founder of a notable company, all his notability, if any, is tied to it. Bearian (talk) 02:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.