Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jigsaw (wrestler)

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jigsaw (wrestler)

Prod contested without improvement. Non notable minor league wrestler, no evidence of multiple reliable independent sources. Only source is a wrestling fan site that allows wrestlers to pay for a profile and accepts submissions direct from them. Fails WP:BIO and WP:V. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 08:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no improvement on sources attempted when removing the prod. Does not currently demonstarte notability nor verifiability.MPJ-DK 08:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. That guy looks like Strong Bad from Homestar Runner. That image probably violates WP:COPYVIO--Edtropolis 14:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I wasn't aware that looking like an internet cartoon was grounds for deletion. Nenog 04:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is not put up for deletion because some copyright violation but his notability (or lack of it) as a wrestler. There is no copyright violation just because the mask is red with black on it, the black is a jigzaw puzzle piece that upclose does not resemble Strong Bad at all. MPJ-DK 06:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 10:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment True, but I see no notice on Whacks's site that states all the photos are copyright free either. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 10:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Comment are we discussing deleting the picture or are we discussing deleting the article? Let's stick to discussions of deleting the article, whomever wants to remove a picture for copyright reasons is free to do so - so let's stick to the deletion process for the article why don't we? MPJ-DK 10:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - Hey Hack, you know I normally agree with you, however I am familiar with Jigsaw and he has worked in many federations, as well as has been featured in publications, and notable newsletters. I do however feel the article needs a lot work and needs to be referenced better! Hellswasteland 14:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no valid secondary sources provided. All content appears to be first hand sourced therefore violating WP:NOR. Image is likely copyright violation. Notability is questionable at best. Once you weed out the wikipedia scrapers and mirrors, and sites referring to jigsaw puzzles, your down to approximately 2200 google hits, comparatively if you google me and remove comments regarding wikipedia or wiki (alkivar -wikipedia -wiki) your getting 2,360 hits. If this guys only as notable as I am, he probably doesnt deserve his own article. ALKIVAR™ ☢ 17:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Toushe' LOL! Hellswasteland 18:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. It remains to be seen whether or not all these links to onlineworldofwrestling.com really qualify as reliable sources or not. Burntsauce 21:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For establishing notability for independent wrestlers absolutely not, and reliability is also extremely dubious, for more information see here. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes because ever single solid wrestler listed on OWW bough their profile. Once again you seem to overlook the fact that this is also posted: "If a wrestler's profile is posted, and we eventually discover that you submitted fraudulent or misleading information...then we reserve the right to erase your profile and keep the fee as a service charge". Nenog 00:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment No, I didn't overlook it in the slightest. Please don't make incorrect assumptions, and also familiarise yourself with the burden of evidence. That page proves that a profile is not an indication of notability, and that the information may not be reliable. This is an encylopedia not a wrestling fan site. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment My comment wasn't about whether or not OWW establishes nobility, it was in response to your comment: "reliability is also extremely dubious". As far as I know this is the second time you've posted that page omitting the fact that if the wrestlers are found lying their profiles can/will be deleted. Nenog 02:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please read WP:V and WP:RS, your argument holds no water. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 02:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Where specifically in those two? Nenog 02:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator due to lack of reliable sources. Yamaguchi先生 04:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, fails the everything test. RFerreira 05:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.