Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewell train

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The result was delete. The consensus is that there is no evidence that this term exists. Adding mention to the 'Light engine' articleis judged to be inappropriate, as this appears to be a hoax, PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 14:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jewell train[edit]

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Zero coverage of the name "Jewell train" in any reliable sources (or any sources at all for that matter), or any evidence that this term is ever used. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm having a hard time believing this term is real. There is a city called Jewell so there's a lot of false results around the search term "Jewell train", but with some filtering and such I can find no mention of the term for this context outside of Wikipedia results. Alternatively, redirect it to light engine (itself a redirect, which is probably proper) which is the only sourced part of the article. Possibly a hoax. -- ferret (talk) 02:24, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge ~~Redirect~~ to Light engine (or, more accurately, to Glossary of rail transport terms#L). I can't find any support for the term Jewell train, but the article gives two alternate names. One of those names, "light engine", seems to actually be the common term. It appears in published glossaries of railroad terms (in addition to the one already cited in the article), so it passes WP:V. Then the question is, does it pass WP:N? At first I thought the answer was yes, because I was coming across short descriptions about how light engines are different from other railroading setups, like the paragraph on page 245 here. I also was finding laws in different countries that specifically single out light engines for different regulations, like these three examples 1 2 3. But unfortunately I can't find any secondary summaries of why those laws treat light engines differently (and including them directly in an article would require WP:OR), and I'm coming up empty on any actually in-depth discussions of light engines. So I think it's most appropriate as a subsection of the glossary, and there probably isn't sufficient coverage for a standalone article. But if someone does a better job of finding coverage than I did, I could be convinced pretty easily, since honestly I think it's just short of GNG. - Astrophobe (talk) 17:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Light engine is a real term, and covers the subject of this article. "Jewell train" is a term that cannot be proven to even exist. We should not keep material that meets the definition of a hoax, and considering light engine already exists (as a redirect), there is no reason to keep this even as a redirect since it is a duplicate and not a plausible search term which would justify a redirect. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:18, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I meant merge, not redirect. - Astrophobe (talk) 03:27, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and oppose redirect/merge. Likely a WP:HOAX. None of the sources provided above by Astrophobe contain the term "Jewell train". Both glossaries listed above have entries on the Jewel railroad company, the term hot jewel, and the use of the word jewel to refer to "journal brass" (whatever that means) but not "Jewell train". No mention of "Jewell train" in the context of light engines in the glossaries either. All the other sources have to deal with light engines, but not "Jewell train". There's no evidence that this is a real term or that its used in connection with light engines. It's concerning to me that Astrophobe is providing supposed "evidence" (some that requires subscription access which luckily I have) which does not even contain the term "Jewell train" anywhere in the sources. 4meter4 (talk) 20:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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