Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JetBrains

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The result was delete. I did consider the arguments by Dnimat and Mark viking, but it is not all that clear that there is significant coverage. The websites that cover the awards that Mark viking pointed out are valid for simple statements of facts that the company won the applicable award, but I cannot agree that they are "significant coverage about the company" because they don't "address the subject directly in detail" (the wording used in WP:GNG, emphasis mine), as a promotional presentation and a simple entry on an awards list is not "in detail". The arguments are valid, but not so strong that they can overrule what is an otherwise reasonably strong consensus for deletion. Sjakkalle (Check!) 16:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

JetBrains[edit]

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Does not appear to have any extensive coverage by secondary sources Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:18, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Could not find any independent sources to demonstrate notability. --Noleander (talk) 12:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 17:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not obvious at first glance, but this doesn't show how it is notable. The first 30 sites on Google don't seem to turn up much either.^King Jakob _C2 21:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
On the fence for now - it would seem the company has won a few ComponentSource Awards though I'm not sure whether that's a significant award (they did win in multiple categories for multiple products, so if the award is significant...). It should also be noted that this was nominated before those awards were announced - here - so there's nothing the nom could have done about that. WP:BEFORE searches wouldn't have picked those up at that point. They have also collaborated with the Colorado State University, though this story would not be considered "significant coverage", obviously. There's a bunch of news coverage in Russian, though I don't speak or read Russian so I have no idea if its significant coverage or just passing mentions. But most of the English-language sources are press releases, so I just can't !vote keep at the moment. Stalwart111 01:16, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Couldn't find any secondary sources in which JetBrains is the subject of the article. Then I thought maybe there might be some in Russian or something. Can't speak Russian, so just had a look at the Russian language article, and it has even poorer sources than the English one! Don't have high hopes for this, so have to say fails notability criteria, as reflected by the absence of appropriate sources. - Shudde ^talk 10:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The article is updated with some secondary source references Dmimat (talk) 14:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Only two approach good references. http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2012/11/01/readers-choice-winners.aspx shows it won third-place for Collaboration, Project Management & Agile Solutions from Visual Studio Magazine, but third place isn't much of a victory. http://www.drdobbs.com/jvm/the-kotlin-programming-language/231500204 is a presentation from a summit, but it appears that at least one of the presenters is an employee of the company: http://www.jetbrains.com/company/people/executives.html. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:20, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Winning third place for "Collaboration, Project Management & Agile Solutions" from a trade magazine is not the sort of significant impact to get a business a standalone article in an encyclopedia. I'm more concerned over the substantial walled garden of non-notable products we have here, especially given that this business makes software for software developers. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I added a reference to the JAX 2012 award for most innovative Java company. No members of the jury appear to work for JetBrains, so this looks like a reliable source. While one can argue how much of a victory the ComponentSource awards and the Reader's Choice awards are, they both look like reliable sources. Multiple awards suggest notability, as WP:NSOFT#Inclusion states that the software is notable if The software is discussed in reliable sources as significant in its particular field. I consider these awards to be significant coverage about the company; if so, the awards also seem to satisfy the WP:CORPDEPTH requirements. The article is somewhat promotional, but this is a surmountable problem, per WP:SURMOUNTABLE. Notability of the topic along wth surmountable problems suggests that this article be kept. --Mark viking (talk) 17:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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