Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesuit Outreach, Segundo Barrio

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The result was keep. I do not see any rebuttal of sourcing to relist any further.For the record, whether it stands out from the thousands of other outreach programs is irrelevant as long as the passage of GNG is unchallenged/met. (non-admin closure) ∯WBG^converse 13:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jesuit Outreach, Segundo Barrio[edit]

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fails WP:GNG The Banner talk 21:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 05:26, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This diverse program extends its influence back to Mexico and Central America, whence the refugees come, and forward to all the places in the USA where they have settled over the years. It's notabililty is adequately attested to by all the independent references given. Jzsj (talk) 10:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your emergency addition of sources. Unfortunately, it still does not prove the notability of the organisation and why it stands out from the thousands of other outreach programs. The Banner talk 10:47, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - This program by its extent of outreach and programs over 126 years (and still very active) exceeds all other programs for welcoming immigrants entering the USA through the Juarez portal. There may be a few others among the "thousands" of outreach programs that are also notable, but that does not detract from its notability. Check also the backpack drive in El Paso, for the benefit of Sacred Heart School. (Maybe you can add this to the article since I didn't want to offend against my school ban.) Jzsj (talk) 12:17, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Interesting that you claim that the outreach-program is just as old as the parish running it. And indeed, most of the story is about social activities of the parish and not about the outreach program. The Banner talk 13:07, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jesuits, by the nature of their founding, do not run ordinary parishes in a diocese, but generally only have those attached to their universities, mission parishes where the church is just getting established, or those where there is some social justice imperative (as with St. Matthew's parish in entirely Black North St. Louis). From the article we learn that from the start Sacred Heart served immigrant Hispanics from Mexico and this commitment grew as the need increased, to the present day. All social justice programs in a parish can be denominated "outreach", as a parish's primary work is spiritual ministry. Jzsj (talk) 16:10, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Banner we could care less if it "stands out from the thousands of other outreach programs." No such policy.– Lionel^(talk) 13:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: per WP:HEY. Way to go JZSJ.– Lionel^(talk) 13:35, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Aha, an opinion piece. Not an policy... The Banner talk 19:30, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. – Lionel^(talk) 13:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as multiple reliable sources references have been added to the article that show that the subject passes WP:GNG Atlantic306 (talk) 17:52, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- Despite appearances, this has the feel of a special ministry in a single parish. The fact that the article is well-referenced does not mean that the subject is notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What makes this much more than a parish ministry is the fact that it begins in Juarez, Mexico, and serves people passing through the border portal to all parts of the USA. Most of the people served will never be parishioners of Sacred Heart parish. And as a Jesuit ministry it draws on resources of the whole Central and Southern province of the Society of Jesus to serve all immigrants from Central America and Mexico who come through El Paso. Also, it is assisted by the City of El Paso as a common effort to welcome immigrants. Jzsj (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The editor whose username is Z0 11:55, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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