Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Smith (ice hockey)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete --JForget 23:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable junior hockey player who has yet to play professionally so fails to meed WP:N. When and if he plays professionally he can have his article recreated. He has not won any other major individual awards that could have gained him notability through other means. Djsasso (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hockey-related deletion discussions. —Djsasso (talk) 18:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Grsz 11 18:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Hasn't played professionally and hasn't played at highest available level of amateur so fails WP:ATHLETE. --JD554 (talk) 18:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Junior_hockey#Major-Junior says that the league he plays in is a professional league. Branson03 (talk) 19:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)I'm withdrawing my vote, although even if you get payed a small amount it is still professional. That is the literal definition of professional. Branson03 (talk) 04:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]- No it says the NCAA considers it professional, but no other governing body does. It is due to a $40 a week honorarium they receive which contravenes NCAA requirements for eligability to play in the NCAA. Players who play in this league are deleted almost weekly.
There is ample precidence. -Djsasso (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. His league is not a top-level league, thus he fails WP:N. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 21:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The Nashville Predators just signed him today. At the time of this nomination he is a professional under contract, (be it in Nashville or with the Milwaukee Admirals) ccwaters (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment As are numerous junior players. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so until he actually plays a game he still doesn't meet the standards. This could still be a couple of years. Junior players often sign pro contracts years before they ever actually play pro. -Djsasso (talk) 21:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No, signing him means he's going somewhere pro within the Preds's system now. Drafting him gave The Preds exclusive rights to sign him within 3,4(?) years after which would have been draft eligible once again or a free agent depending on age. I don't think he can go to Milwaukee because he's not on their clear day roster. Its the NHL or lower minors (ECHL or CHL). I'm sure we'll find out within a day. ccwaters (talk) 21:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No actually it doesn't. Players sign pro contracts anytime after they have been drafted. The first year of their contract doesn't kick in until they have played X number of games in the NHL or AHL etc. Drafting him gave them the right to sign him within 2 years otherwise he goes back into the draft. There are numerous players playing in the major juniors right now with pro contracts. All signing him to a contract has done, is made it impossible for him to go back into the draft. -Djsasso (talk) 21:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here we go found the actual amount. Once the player appears in his tenth NHL game, his contract kicks in. prior to that he remains a junior player. Or a better quote would be A junior-aged player who is not signed to an NHL contract by this time must return to his junior team (the official deadline is usually a day or two before the opening games). That player is essentially gone for the year. He is not eligible to return to the NHL until his junior team's season is over. So since he didn't sign a contract till after the season started he is not elligable to turn pro till his junior team is done for the year. -Djsasso (talk) 21:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok...you're right: Claude Giroux (ice hockey) is a good example... [1] played in the AHL post QMJHL last season, signed to an entry level over the summer, played for his junior team all season, loaned to the Flyers on an emergency basis, back playing in juniors... ccwaters (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah I was trying to think of a recent good example and he fits the bill. You will often see players play for the pro farm team during the playoffs if they are a really good junior player and their junior team is already knocked out of the playoffs. And once this guy does something like that then by all means give him a page. Just right now he hasn't played a game yet. -Djsasso (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the timeframe to sign is longer and I think its different for NCAA prospects. Once you sign a contract you're done (Kyle Okposo). A 2 year timeframe would ensure that most draftees would leave college early: something the NCAA would greatly frown upon. Whatever, its irrelevant to this AFD. ccwaters (talk) 22:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah NCAA and I think Europe both get a couple extra years. I was just talking in context of this particular player since he plays in the OHL. -Djsasso (talk) 22:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the timeframe to sign is longer and I think its different for NCAA prospects. Once you sign a contract you're done (Kyle Okposo). A 2 year timeframe would ensure that most draftees would leave college early: something the NCAA would greatly frown upon. Whatever, its irrelevant to this AFD. ccwaters (talk) 22:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah I was trying to think of a recent good example and he fits the bill. You will often see players play for the pro farm team during the playoffs if they are a really good junior player and their junior team is already knocked out of the playoffs. And once this guy does something like that then by all means give him a page. Just right now he hasn't played a game yet. -Djsasso (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok...you're right: Claude Giroux (ice hockey) is a good example... [1] played in the AHL post QMJHL last season, signed to an entry level over the summer, played for his junior team all season, loaned to the Flyers on an emergency basis, back playing in juniors... ccwaters (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here we go found the actual amount. Once the player appears in his tenth NHL game, his contract kicks in. prior to that he remains a junior player. Or a better quote would be A junior-aged player who is not signed to an NHL contract by this time must return to his junior team (the official deadline is usually a day or two before the opening games). That player is essentially gone for the year. He is not eligible to return to the NHL until his junior team's season is over. So since he didn't sign a contract till after the season started he is not elligable to turn pro till his junior team is done for the year. -Djsasso (talk) 21:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No actually it doesn't. Players sign pro contracts anytime after they have been drafted. The first year of their contract doesn't kick in until they have played X number of games in the NHL or AHL etc. Drafting him gave them the right to sign him within 2 years otherwise he goes back into the draft. There are numerous players playing in the major juniors right now with pro contracts. All signing him to a contract has done, is made it impossible for him to go back into the draft. -Djsasso (talk) 21:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No, signing him means he's going somewhere pro within the Preds's system now. Drafting him gave The Preds exclusive rights to sign him within 3,4(?) years after which would have been draft eligible once again or a free agent depending on age. I don't think he can go to Milwaukee because he's not on their clear day roster. Its the NHL or lower minors (ECHL or CHL). I'm sure we'll find out within a day. ccwaters (talk) 21:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment As are numerous junior players. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so until he actually plays a game he still doesn't meet the standards. This could still be a couple of years. Junior players often sign pro contracts years before they ever actually play pro. -Djsasso (talk) 21:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the top two comments! --Camaeron (talk) 21:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable per WP:NOTE. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 21:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment He did split the Dave Pinkney Trophy with Michal Neuvirth last year. Smith played 34 games to Neuvirth's 41, so it was close to 50/50. It is a statistical award that goes to the team with the best GAA. Is Dave Pinkney Trophy notable enough? Patken4 (talk) 23:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think it is, but that's just my opinion. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Transwiki to icehockey.wikia.com. Powers T 00:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I have transwikied it now, forgot to mention I would automatically transwiki it if it were deleted. -Djsasso (talk) 18:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- delete as non-notable, transwiki, and everybody wins. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 17:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete...simply not notable...I mean, he just signed to a professional contract yesterday... --SmashvilleBONK! 23:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for now, but I look forward to seeing his article recreated when he does play pro. Resolute 15:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 19:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Wasn't drafted high enough to be considered notable, though I personally would love to see this article created when he does turn pro, it's only a matter of time. Raphie (talk) 15:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.