Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Collins

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Collins[edit]

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Notable for winning Survivor: Cambodia. Sure, he debuted with his wife as players of Survivor: San Juan del Sur, but I don't think they're notable for that, especially since neither of them won that season. Neither losing Survivor: Winners at War nor appearing on The Price Is Right helps either. If neither WP:BLP1E nor WP:BIO1E applies, how about WP:PAGEDECIDE instead?

I seek this article to be redirected to either Survivor: Cambodia (his winning season), Survivor: San Juan del Sur (his debut season), or List of Survivor (American TV series) contestants, either potential target I'm fine with, honestly. George Ho (talk) 14:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Television, and American football. George Ho (talk) 14:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about the Survivor bit, but he's certainly not notable based on playing in the Professional Indoor Football League. Cbl62 (talk) 14:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a Survivor winner, then appearing on two other Survivor series and the Price is Right appearance, establish multi-topic notability. A well-known participant in the overall series. Seeing that there are multiple suggesions in the nom for where to "redirect" this, there is nothing broken here and the subject is deserving of his own page. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know secondary or tertiary reliable sources verifying his notability other than his Cambodia season win? I have a hard time believing that those TV appearances shall suffice. George Ho (talk) 21:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding multiple suggestions about retargeting this article, I most likely prefer it redirected to Survivor: Cambodia, the season where he won, but I'm also fine with it retargeted to either alternative destination. Furthermore, as already determined, appearing twice or more on TV doesn't sufficiently make one notable. George Ho (talk) 01:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Some coverage exists on the article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what coverage you mean. I see recaps of his three Survivor appearances. Regarding sources, I'm unsure whether coverage is adequate to save this article, notable or not. This magazine article is primarily an interview with this winner. This news article recaps how he played enough to go further and win the game. This news article just covers updates about his family life. Great news honestly, but can it save this biographical article's fate? Can the rest? (Don't get me started on a Twitter post.) George Ho (talk) 04:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:54, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Local coverage [1], here [2], the usual interviews in People [3] and this in Heavy.com [4]. I think with what's already in the article, it's just barely enough.Oaktree b (talk) 03:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
REDIRECT to Survivor: Cambodia. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, divided between Redirection and Keeping the article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Sources are trivial or routine press release/advertising coverage of someone who was on a notable TV show, not significant coverage of a notable individual. There's no notability directly inherited from the TV show, even if they won it. Macktheknifeau (talk) 19:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Well, now it's divided between redirection, keep, and deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 01:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Macktheknifeau: As alternative to deletion, to which target do you want the page to redirect? --George Ho (talk) 06:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
List of Survivor (American TV series) contestants. Macktheknifeau (talk) 08:48, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b and Sportsfan 1234: Do you stand by your "weak keep" votes, or do you have no objections to the page being redirected? If the latter, which destination? --George Ho (talk) 06:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, still a !keep. Oaktree b (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is enough for an article. There isn't a need to redirect. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Survivor: Cambodia: Sources fails to live up to the needs of the WP:golden rule. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no 'golden rule', you linked to an opinion essay (which is balanced by Wikipedia:Don't cite WP42 at AfD). I'll link to another essay, WP:RULEOFTHUMB, which also fits this discussion's distribution of editor opinion. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. The essay is fine. We need WP:SIGCOV from sources that are WP:IS and WP:RS. This article's subject fails to have that. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.