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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Belle Stars. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jennie Matthias[edit]

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Does not appear to pass WP:NMUSIC or WP:NBIO. – bradv🍁 21:22, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:11, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:11, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — no in-depth significant coverage in RS discussing the article's subject. Celestina007 (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete almost all the sources are from crappy websites , NO significant coverage on Wikipedia relieble sources , therefore i see NO evidence of Notability , Samat lib (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — as per nom, no in-depth significant coverage in RS available for this subject. Namkongville (talk) 07:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep I'm guessing few in this discussion live in the UK or are over the age of 40. Here in the UK Jennie Matthias is universally known. She was a BIG star in the 80s. Note this sentence "Jennie Belle Star was a fully-fledged pop star" in the following article which appeared in one of Britain's largest newspapers - The Independent is a major British paper.[1]. She has appeared on Top of the Pops at least 4 times in the UK. This is at least the American Equivalent of American bandstand. It would be an injustice not to include her contribution to girl powered music. Moppatt O'Smitty (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)---This user has been blocked as a suspected sockpuppet Missvain (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/news/locks-stock-and-apparel-the-belle-stars-former-singer-now-sells-pristine-sixties-fashion-to-collectors-says-tony-marcus-1367342.html
  • Redirect to The Belle Stars. I love her contributions to Meg Lee Chin, Pigface and The Jam, but, I struggled to find enough content to satisfy that she is independently notable outside of the Belle Stars. Even searching all her pseudonyms (she has three), I found very little coverage that convinced me she passes WP:NMUSIC or WP:BASIC. Missvain (talk) 02:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Celestina007, Namkongville and Samat lib. What do you think of a redirect to her old band? Missvain (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Missvain, Not a bad idea. I’m willing to take another look. Celestina007 (talk) 14:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep RE: "I'm sure there are sources offline" It's seems alarming that this mountain of offline coverage seems to be deemed irrelevant. It's as if nothing is important prior to the internet. I question whether "notability" should be based solely on modern day digital presence or whether there should be some respect given toward those who paved the way for the rest of us. Jennie Matthias was not only the lead vocalist in the Belle Stars, but a black woman who overcame racism and extreme adversity. She grew up in group homes, experienced drug abuse and emerged as an important community figure who went on to feed thousands of homesless people - by whom she is loved and admired. Surely she is worthy of respect? Moppatt O'Smitty (talk) 04:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)---This user has been blocked as a suspected sockpuppet Missvain (talk) 00:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your enthusiasm but you can only !vote one. If you can present offline sources in the article that cover her extensively - not the Belle Stars - then we would appreciate it. Missvain (talk) 20:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to the Belle Stars. A lot of bad sources like YouTube, Discogs, Amazon and 45cat plus a blog site which should not be used. All sources must be reliable in article - if she does fail notability then a redirect to her former notable group (being the lead singer) is fine. Hiddenstranger (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Jennie Belle Star in the wikiverse. Wikipedia catogories are being misapplied to pop and music culture, where their profile very much exists in popular TV, Radio and Tabloid formats plus various concert venues. The idea of deleting a high profile entertainer because they used those platforms is absurd and wrong, merely because they existed before the intranet.Conor MacCloed (talk) 08:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)---This user has been blocked as a suspected sockpuppet Missvain (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
*KEEP Here in the UK Jennie Bellstar is a household name for anyone that grew up in the punk / ska eraSixtieschic (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)---This user has been blocked as a suspected sockpuppet Missvain (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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