Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Teal

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator due to obvious WP:SNOW. -Djsasso (talk) 05:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Teal

Subject fails WP:N. Teal played only 6 games in the NHL for the Montreal Canadiens in 1984/1985 and then disappears permanently from view. Previously, he played junior hockey. If someone played only a few games in the big leagues and were designated notable, we would have hundreds of articles on minor players who didn't make it in the NHL, MLB, NBA, etc. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artene50 (talk • contribs)

Delete Teal played only 6 games in the National Hockey League. Fails WP:N. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 08:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Passes WP:ATHLETE: "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league[...]" He played in the NHL. Sadly that's it. --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 09:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hockey-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 09:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:BIO/WP:ATHLETE does not have a time of tenure or X number of games test. When a player reaches the top, additional WP:RS coverage will likely be found eventually. That is good enough for a stub. "Disappears permanantly" is an assumption that WP:BIO does not make. As for the hundreds of athletes, they're here. WP:NOTPAPER applies. • Gene93k (talk) 10:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:BIO/WP:Athlete with experience in the AHL and NHL. ccwaters (talk) 10:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Whether you agree with them or not the criteria for sports people in WP:BIO are much more objective than for most people, and this subject clearly passes them. Also when you say, "we would have hundreds of articles on minor players who didn't make it in the NHL, MLB, NBA, etc." horses, bolting and stable doors come to mind, as we already have thousands of such articles, and anyway worrying about opening the floodgates is not Wikipedia policy. I would also question whether any player who has played at all at this level "hasn't made it". Only a very small percentage of people who take part in organised sports get to such a high level. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He became notable when he played his first game in the NHL per the project's notability standards -Pparazorback (talk) 13:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This one isn't even in a grey area as he played in the highest level pro league. And per WP:BIO anyone who plays in a fully professional league is notable. Minor leagues or not. -Djsasso (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all above. Played in the highest level hockey league in the world. Easily passes WP:BIO. Reso lute 15:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: In fact, we do have thousands of articles on minor league players who made little or no impact on major league sports. This just happens to be in accordance with WP:BIO, is all, and changing the consensus there should be nom's first stop. RGTraynor 15:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It would have been preferable if he had done somthing noteworthy after his short stint in the NHL. (like being a player agent) I suppose this article will be no more than a stub on a minor player unfortunately. Artene50 (talk) 19:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They can't all be Gretzkys, Orrs, or Hulls. Current notability guidelines are not asking them to be either. ccwaters (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He played in the NHL. Whether it's one game, six games, or 1,000 games, playing in the NHL makes you notable. Patken4 (talk) 21:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm dubious about this subject's notability, I humbly ask that my deletion nomination be withdrawn per WP:SNOW. I guess everything is subjective; different people have different views on a subject though I echo Mendaliv's comments that this article will be nothing more than a stub, sadly. Artene50 (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Many things are subjective, but this one is not. The phrasing of WP:BIO is quite unambiguous: "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league" are held to be generally notable. Strictly speaking, it isn't merely someone who has played six games in the NHL who prima facie passes the notability bar; a player who's played six games in the ECHL does. RGTraynor 04:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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