Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Friedl (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Jeff Friedl

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Subject fails MUSICBIO and GNG. Of the citations provided, many fail SPS. Of the others, they are mere mentions or are interviews which are not independent. What I found in BEFORE is more of same. Efforts to redirect this have failed. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Arizona. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:29, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I was tagged as the "creator", but I only really created the redirect, which I believe is probably still the best course of action. He's played with some notable bands (A Perfect Circle, Puscifer), but I haven't seen any evidence that he himself meets MUSICBIO. While he's a fine musician, he's really more of a backing musician than a driving force like Maynard James Keenan or Trent Reznor, so I'm not sure if I'd really expect coverage to be out there... Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I wrote the article in its current state as their is clearly demand from his fans for this article to exist, represented in the countless edit wars of redirects, and this on the Devo wiki. I have added more citations with his name in the title and the fact he one a Drummie award in 2016. Mewhen123 (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Drummie award is not notable, subject still fails ANYBIO. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
  • "Fan demand" is not a valid reason for creating/keeping an article, and the two editors who have fought to recreate it in recent years were both indef blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 17:35, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - This one is admittedly tough because Friedl has a long resume and a reputation in the industry as the guy who can step in at a moment's notice when someone else's drummer is unavailable. He has gotten a few softball interviews (current footnotes #4-5), but the reliable music media simply hasn't covered him in his own right. Every other available source only lists him as being present at someone's recording session or announces him yet again as someone's fill-in drummer. Despite being the trusty go-to guy for many notable bands, he has never been an official member of any of those groups (except possibly Filter). The only band for which he really is a member, Beta Machine, does not have its own article here. Overall, there is no good option for redirecting. As for fan demand for an article, why does it have to be here? ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comments: Many of the sources are not reliable. However, if he has a strong reputation maybe we can find better sources. Bearian (talk) 20:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as Soft Deletion is not an option. It would be great if the new content added to the article was assessed. Is there a possible ATD?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - I generally prefer redirection over deletion whenever it's possible, but I'd also much prefer deletion over "no consensus". If it were just me handling things boldly had this AFD not happened, I probably would have redirected it to A Perfect Circle#Reformation, touring, compilation releases (2010–2016), as it naturally mentions him and a few other band's he's played for. I'd prefer that...or deletion if no one agrees. Sergecross73 msg me 20:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as, again, Soft Deletion is not a possibility. Could we get a few more editors to consider the Redirect proposed or other options?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - per my comments above. Sergecross73 msg me 01:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Certainly an accomplished musician, but as others have noted, not enough coverage to address WP:BIO criteria. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.