Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Vinchi
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 00:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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Musician that fails WP:MUSICBIO. While some minor coverage is found on google searches there is no siginificant coverage. The references given either do not mention him,only list him as a name on a linked video, are by a promotions company, or are just announcements of a debut release. noq (talk) 16:42, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
<<<< Whoever wrote this is absolutely wrong. The Hot97 article, one of the most internationally recognized Hip Hop brands, specifically introduces Vinchi from Detroit and gives him support, then premiering his new video. This artist has specifically had his music and videos featured by multiple of the top Hip Hop brands on earth, which are publications that are in no way directly affiliated with the artist. These are platforms only Major Artists are featured on. The "references" given do entirely mention him, as they are references featuring HIS music and music video releases, or videos that he produced and supplied the music on. He has been featured by Hot97, The Detroit News, SoRaspy, has been featured in Spotify's top playlists, and has worked with Platinum Certified Producers. His video work and music has been featured on Transworld Snowboarding, Snowboarder Magazine, and more. Whoever wrote the article above has absolutely no knowledge of the music industry and the sources that have been included in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.4.107.124 (talk) 22:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
- Comment There is a blog entry from a New York radio station that gives a link to a debut video - it is not in depth coverage. Please provide sources for the "featured by multiples of the top Hip Hop brands on earth". The IAA reference is from a company that is designed to promote their clients - does not sound independent, the snowboarding references are about Kyle Mack - they only refer to Vinchi as his name is in the credits of the video - the references are NOT about Vinchi, THe Hot97 article consists of three lines linking to a video - there is no commentary about him other than the announcement of the video, the Detroit news article does not mention his name. The thisis50 site is unclear about who actually posts the content - is it being added by "members" or editorial staff? The site is unclear. The So Raspy article is not significant coverage - it only really announces the release of a record and reads like a rehash of a press release. noq (talk) 11:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Comment The blog entry from a New York radio station is a worldwide recognized brand which receives constant international attention. It is an honor in Hip Hop for Hot97 to share a rappers video, and in this case it was a brief description and the video included on the page since the entire point of an article is to share the actual music of an artist, especially one that a major platform is attempting to help break out. IAA is a company that is responsible for launching several of the largest Hip Hop artists in recent years, including PNB Rock and many others. The Detroit News article is covering a facility that Vinchi helped create, and the Detroit News interviews and joins him on a recording session in the article if you were to watch the video, that is a visual coverage article. SoRaspy is another worldwide Hip Hop brand, owned by Jadakiss and of course it isn't a lengthy description, as these Hip Hop sites are sharing a video with their viewers to support the audio and visual creation. This artist already has a Wiki-Box when "Jay Vinchi" is searched on Google, linking all of his major platforms including a Spotify channel with over half of a million streams. This artist has been featured in televised interviews with news stations, and has worked with Platinum Producers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.4.107.124 (talk) 19:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The Hot97 3 line link to a video is not WP:significant coverage. It needs much more than that to establish notability. IAA might have been successful in promoting other artists it does mean that all their clients are automatically notable - that would be a nice marketing feature for them but it is not so. I don't see a video on the Detroit News article - which mentions many other names but not his which seems odd if he is so influential in it. The wiki box is not significant and may well disappear if the wikipedia article is removed. noq (talk) 11:47, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 05:41, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Comment Not sure why you are being so clearly negative towards this page, I just watched the Detroit News video, in the article, and saw his interview and section of freestyling with the camera crew in the studio. It is on there, broad as day. How is a Hot97 feature of an artist not significant coverage, when it is a post specifically meant to share the video? So if an athlete had their new snowboarding or skateboaring edit featured on Transworld, or Sports Center, that wouldn't be significant coverage? Combine that with a So Raspy featured, both of which being major Hip Hop publications? The features, verified social media and Spotify, features on Spotify playlists, several hundreds of thousands of streams, news features, major Hip Hop publication features. There are Wikipedia pages up on this website for artists with no publications, no verification, and very few other references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.4.107.124 (talk) 18:20, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B E C K Y S A Y L E S 06:09, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Please read the links I have provided previously for what is regarded as WP:significant coverage. And as for your last comment, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS] applies. noq (talk) 17:06, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Understandable, and yes from what is seen between the articles referenced, WP:significant coverage exists in various forms as by the definition supplied on that page. That sentence was not said in a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS] manner, it was in the sense that we have had conversations regarding this page previously, and your approach is seemingly negative, and completely false. You literally falsely claimed that the Detroit News article didn't have a video, and didn't feature Vinchi when clearly, I watched the video on Detroit News and you can see his interview and freestyle in the studio. So as far as your professionalism or the fact you brought this page to a deletion claim, is logically off due to the fact you are speaking in the manner you are, and not checking your own statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:406:4D02:4453:F5A8:1C9A:EB84:C668 (talk) 20:43, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Please read what I actually wrote. You interpret what I say as negative, but you start you first response here by claiming I am wrong - I then responded to each of your points - I still do not see a video link on the detroit news page but it is possible that that only appears if you allow the website to track you which I do not. The article itself does not mention him at all which seems odd if he such a significant part of what is being covered as it mentions many other people. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is relevant to your bringing up unnamed "There are Wikipedia pages up on this website for artists with no publications, no verification, and very few other references". As previously requested, please tell me what references "addresses the topic directly and in detail" as significant coverage is defined. Just repeating previous statements that I have already responded to do not count - either show why my interpretation is wrong and back it up rather than just calling my negative. As you do not seem to have contributed to Wikipedia on any other article, I have to ask if you have a WP:Conflict of interest here? noq (talk) 18:33, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
I do not have a WP:Conflict of interest I am a Metro Detroit resident who created this page when I saw Jay Vinchi on television with professional snowboarder Kyle Mack and noticed he had many articles with no central hub of information. As for a display of your interpretation in a logical manner here you are: you reference WP:significant coverage and, as defined in that topic, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article", and as for actual coverage "The criteria applied to article creation/retention are not the same as those applied to article content. The notability guidelines do not apply to article or list content (with the exception that some lists restrict inclusion to notable items or people)." As for my reasoning of saying you're being negative to this article in specific, as defined by the terms written in said WP articles defining notability, the significance of the artist was already defined prior to this deletion notice. The sources properly fit into Wikipedia:Verifiability so I believed you already knew the definition to all and how they applied to this artist. Basically, this artist has been featured in and has had his music featured in verifiabile, reliable sources as defined by Wikipedia. Also, I believe you should read this section as well: "If it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate. However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface." << That is not what I have done, but you have treated it as if that is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1007:B120:42C1:45B4:BA20:C486:766B (talk) 20:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. I looked at all nine citations. Half of them don't mention Jay Vinchi at all, and IMO none of them is WP:RS. The only citation which contains any detail at all about JV is the one by Industry All Access, which describes itself on its homepage as "a full service entertainment consulting firm. We provide exceptional problem-solving techniques paired with industry knowledge and clear-cut execution to help our clients achieve their objectives. We are dedicated to creating the foundation that will turn our clients [sic] visions into realities." No independent coverage, fails WP:BIO. And no, he can't inherit notability from Kyle Mack. Narky Blert (talk) 21:34, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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