Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Hall (American football)

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The result was delete‎ as non-notable. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Hall (American football)[edit]

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This is a suspected hoax, but there is enough similar semi-related stuff on Google (especially mentioning the Cologne Centurions of NFL Europe) that I believe it should go through AFD. It was nominated for speedy deletion with the rationale "Hoax article. No stats for any Jason Hall at NFL.com or pro-football-reference.com" by Skywatcher68. —Kusma (talk) 16:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, American football, and United States of America. —Kusma (talk) 16:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There does seem to have been a defensive end who played for Tennessee during the time described ([1]), and the article originally discussed that. It seems an IP changed everything here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted the IP's vandalism. The defensive end Jason Hall did exist, see PFA stats. How much of it is true, I'm not yet sure (especially statements like "On August 15, 2008 the Tennessee Titans claimed Hall from waivers after less than a 24-hour wait. He quickly worked his way into the lineup and made an immediate impact with his knack for rushing the passer. Hall's production helped to propel the team to a remarkable 13-3 regular season. He finished the year with career highs in quarterback pressures, 14, and sacks, 6" which cannot be true as he did not play in any games.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

True, Hall did play for the Volunteers but never the Titans. The largely fictitious NFL career had been there since December 2012. – Skywatcher68 (talk) 17:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can believe that he was on the teams, it just looks like he didn't play. Also, found a piece from the Times-News that looks like potential sigcov, but isn't showing entirely for me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:16, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Found a piece of SIGCOV here from The Tennessean, plus short pieces from the Knoxville News-Sentinel and Chatanoogan. The PFA stats make it seem like he really was the NFLE Defensive MVP, which I really would have expected to have produced more coverage. Still looking though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Funny how "Pro Gents" isn't mentioned in the article at all. Is one NCAA award and one NFL Europe award plus his community service work notable enough? If so, we can keep the article minus the puffery and the NFL nonsense. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Pro Gents"? Also, it does seem some of the NFL stuff is correct, as this piece mentions him being on the Panthers for a time, plus this lists him on the Bills. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Pro Gents" is the name of the organization mentioned in the Times-News article. He may have been on those NFL teams but the article, as currently written, has him actually taking part in regular season games; in reality, he couldn't have seen anything more than practice. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 17:38, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you have access to the whole Times-News article, could you let me know how in-depth it is (it doesn't work for me)? Maybe the right solution here would be some TNT with no restrictions on recreating it as a proper article. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article is behind a paywall for me now but, other than the facts that Hall played for the Volunteers and Cologne Centurions, it only really covers Pro Gents and its focus on helping college players get an education for when they don't make the pros. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 18:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I had neglected to look for other stats. Hall did have one season in NFL Europe and one in the Arena League but everything else is highly suspect. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 17:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is definitely not a hoax, but there's a lot of misinformation on the page. From what I can tell, he was in training camp for the Bills but got cut before the season per the Buffalo News (so he couldn't have played a key role on the NFL's number one special teams units). He did play in NFL Europe and won MVP per UT Sports. From other ProQuest sources I can verify that he was on the Panthers before being cut, and the Titans, but cannot verify any of the other claims. Regardless unless there's more significant coverage than the stuff from college linked by BeanieFan11 I don't think he meets WP:SPORTSCRIT. Usually players who never played in an NFL regular season game aren't notable. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I tried to clean up the article as much as I could, but still don't think that the subject is notable. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Georgia (U.S. state) and Tennessee. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete between the fraudulent stuff we've removed and what's left, I'm not seeing GNG or any sort of notability for athletes. Oaktree b (talk) 19:49, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The article's subject itself isn't an outright hoax, but some details in the article do appear to be. What can be verified, however, doesn't appear to be enough to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. - Aoidh (talk) 02:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Oaktree b. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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