Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Clive Lloyd (2nd nomination)

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The result was withdrawn by nom - TheProf - T / C 12:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Clive Lloyd

This player had no non-wiki hits on a Google search. [1], another user also removed him from the Bolton Wanderers article. i assume due to his lack of hits from a similler search. TheProf - T / C 21:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see i voted weak keep on an earlier AfD. For the record, im now Delete! TheProf - T / C 21:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The sources in the article both seem legit. Maybe if you remove the "Clyde" part from your search? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, i got a movie profile, but still no footballer. I'm going to have a look at the Bolton Wanderers website! TheProf - T / C 22:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this mentions "goalkeeper Jason Lloyd". Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A search of the main BWFC site finds nothing. I'm starting to wonder if the man in this article and the goalkeeper in the source are actually different people! This is why i wanted a wikibreak, lol. I must remember to not use wikipedia at all tomorrow! TheProf - T / C 22:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. A ecis^Brievenbus 23:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - as per rational in first AfD; player is an international player, and that gives immediate notability. This article proves he has played international football, and as for "no Google hits" - what do you call this then? GiantSnowman (talk) 23:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see 2 wiki hits, 1 non-wiki hit and lots of hits for a famous cricket player ;-) TheProf - T / C 23:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's because his name contains the words 'Clive Lloyd', his father, who is much more notable. Regardless of number of google-hits, he IS notable as an international player! GiantSnowman (talk) 23:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I accept that theres an international goalkeeper called Jason Lloyd. My main concern now is the fact that this goalkeeper, Jason Clive Lloyd, doesnt show up on any major websites. And im now 100% certain after my search of the main BWFC website that this goalkeeper has never played (or had anything to do with) Bolton Wanderers FC. Could it be that this article needs to be deleted, and a new article about Jason Lloyd, the international goalkeeper, needs to be started? TheProf - T / C 23:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Prof, there is no need for a new article as the first source clearly states Jason Clive Lloyd played for Guyana. Eddie6705 (talk) 00:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also came across this non football related story [2], although i doubt this helps. Eddie6705 (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, again it only uses the name Jason Lloyd. If he passes this AfD, I'd like there to be a discussion on the main article talk page about whether or not he plays or has ever played for Bolton Wanderers. TheProf - T / C 11:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep' Even though the only mention of him playing for Bolton is from the source in the article, he is notable due to his international football. Also his profile on the Guyanese team website says he is playing in England, but doesn't say what team. Eddie6705 (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep based on his appearances in the 2007 CONCACAF Digicel Cup (qualifiers for the confederation championship). This is playing at the highest level and definitely confers notability. Jogurney (talk) 00:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep seems to have notability using a google search. Atyndall93 | talk 05:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep on the grounds that this article passed a previous AFD with a WP:SNOW speedy keep decision LESS THAN A MONTH AGO. Articles must not be repeatedly nominated in such a short period until a desired outcome occurs. 23skidoo (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Match Report confirms him as an international footballer. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Note - I'd like to withdraw this AfD and have a discussion on the articles talk page about whether or not he has ever played for Bolton Wanderers FC. Thank you TheProf - T / C 15:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - due to the risk that this article is propagating wrong information. If he never played for Bolton, we should know that fact. If we don't know that fact, let's delete the article until we have some sources that we feel are reliable. If we don't even *know* whether he played for Bolton, why do we think we have any useful information to offer to the world? It's like having an article on a politician, and not knowing what country he was the president of. EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - EdJohnston, you have completely missed the point. Whether or not he is a member of the Bolton Wanderers squad is, for now, a moot point; we are discussing here whether or not he is notable, and he is, because he is an international player. There's no need to "delete the article" at all! GiantSnowman (talk) 10:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.