Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janel Bishop

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

~~The result was no consensus. Nakon 05:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)~~[reply]

The result was keep. Reviewed this close and found a stronger consensus for keep rather than no consensus. Nakon 18:43, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Janel Bishop[edit]

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Subject won a preliminary round in a small state then won a pageant title. If she is notable, it is only for the WP:ONEEVENT so per WP:NOPAGE her name and basic details are best presented on a list of winners. There is no indiction the subject went on to anything but a quiet private life so it is inappropriate to keep an entire page about an event during her high school years. Some info here is unsourced and subject to change fancruft - like only person to win from NH, physiacl derails etc. Legacypac (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:50 year rule. SpinningSpark 23:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:50-year rule is neither policy nor guideline, but rather an essay that contradicts long-standing policy. Joefromrandb (talk) 03:18, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't recall ever saying that it was policy. And it not being policy doesn't stop anybody from advancing an essay as a rationale. It's just that citing an essay is easier and neater than writing a TLDR in every AFD. SpinningSpark 15:13, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - You're free to cite anything you like. I'm just pointing out that the essay you are citing runs contrary to actual policy. I feel it would be considered poor form for me to send it to MfD while this discussion is still ongoing, so I'm instead pointing out its deficiencies, and noting that it should be treated as a user-essay, not a project one. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:18, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 12:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Hampshire-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 12:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 12:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:08, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:08, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Won a top pageant Miss Teen USA. Not some small irrelevant one. WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as well as keep all the articles in Category:Miss Teen USA winners. Beauty contests at all levels and ages are a popular pastime in female America. Wikipedia has an excruciating amount of detail on popular content topics of interest to men and boys. A single appearance by a young man in a major league game is enough for an article, though he may do nothing of notice ever after. We need to stop trying to reduce the amount of female popular interest topics here. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:06, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The existence of too many bios on sportspersons is not justification for too many pageant winners. To reach a professional level of sports requires years of playing. These are short events (or at best several events deep) not careers. Playing like following GNG is sexist is not an appropriate keep argument. Legacypac (talk) 01:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above --- PageantUpdater (talk) 00:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - First African-American winner of a major teen pageant is notable enough for me, per WP:IAR if nothing else. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:07, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- there's no consensus currently that winning Miss Teen USA 1991 satisfies WP:ANYBIO. Significant RS coverage to meet WP:SIGCOV not found. If such coverage exists, I would be glad to review. Merely voting "Keep" in a deletion discussion is insufficient in the absence of sources.

Separately, Category:Miss Teen USA winners contains names that are notable for other things, such as Shelley Hennig (actress) and Vanessa Lachey (model & TV personality). This is not the case with the present article. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:25, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- It's goddamn well sufficient, and the fact that I just fucking did it is proof. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:43, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable title, and she is also the first black winner of Miss Teen USA. Lonehexagon (talk) 03:49, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete winning Miss Teen USA is not enough alone for notability. The coverage does not pass the real significatn covergage test, it only passes a dreamed up watered down test which would lead to an unworkably larger encyclopedia. It is time for people to spend more time on developing articles on the likes of Rosie Berger and less on non-notable people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:53, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- Vox has an article that describes her winning Miss Teen USA as an sort of a milestone for the pageant. If news articles talk about her 25 years after she won the title then there is evidence of lasting impact.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Major pageant winner. Also, I find it curious that the size of the state won should have any bearing on the case. Does the nominator mean to imply that winning Ohio would be more significant than New Hampshire? After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 21:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Winning a pageant in a large city would be much harder than winning a small state due to competition. I don't see how winning Miss Ohio is notable either. Legacypac (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your logic there is even more questionable. There are only 8 US cities more populous than New Hampshire and none more populous than Ohio. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 18:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Major pageant winner. Carrite (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.