Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamiatul Falah Mosque

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) — fortunavelut luna 08:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jamiatul Falah Mosque[edit]

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Unreferenced for more than a decade. It probably is the largest mosque in the city, but I see no historical or architectural significance. Searches of the usual Google types, De Gruyter, EBSCO, HighBeam, JSTOR, Project Muse, ProQuest, and nine Bangladeshi newspapers, by both names, found routine announcements of various religious observances and two stories about an incident in which a khatib was assaulted and shoes and garbage were thrown at the mosque.[1][2] I don't believe these mentions are sufficient to meet WP:GNG or WP:GEOFEAT. Worldbruce (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 01:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 01:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The only sources I could find were the official website of the subject, the official Facebook page, and some videos on YouTube. There was more time to prove notability than this non-notable building deserved. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:51, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The largest mosque in a city of 2.5 million people, most of whom are Muslims, would seem to me to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Being big is not equivalent to being notable. One might reasonably expect reliable sources to exist on the topic of the largest mosque in a city, and thus for it to be notable, but so far, in ten years, no one has produced a reliable source to confirm that it is the largest, let alone enough reliable sources on the topic to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:GEOFEAT, which tells us buildings "require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability". --Worldbruce (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. I very much appreciate the nominator's WP:BEFORE efforts. Since one of the pedia's missions is to be a gazetteer, we typically keep articles about significant human communities, even if those communities are defunct (like ghost towns). Here we have an uncited article about a large (likely the largest) and active religious institution in a very large geographic community. Even the nominator in this process concedes the mosque is verifiable, but asserts, reasonably, insufficiently documented to meet GNG or GEOFEAT. Despite this fair assertion, I'd prefer a keep outcome here, or at most a soft delete so that when eventually better sources are brought forward the article could be recreated with little debate. 50,000 celebrate Eid eve there? That's significant, IMHO. BusterD (talk) 12:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: What reliable, secondary sources will be used to write this article?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 16:45, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've taken a stab at rewriting the stub along the lines that the discussion so far suggests. It feels like inherited notability; the news coverage is about the notable events, not so much about where they take place, or the building adjacent to where they take place.

I believe the largest single Eid gathering in the city (the one in the eidgah next to the mosque is in two shifts) is at M. A. Aziz Stadium. If so, it's worth mentioning in the stadium article. But if the only mentions of the stadium in reliable sources were that out of the hundreds of Eid celebrations in the city, the one at the stadium is the largest, would that alone make the stadium notable?

The sources feel weak and tangential compared to the in-depth secondary sources that demonstrate the notability of other large mosques, such as Great Mosque of Gaza or Cologne Central Mosque. I can't tell whether the mosque is in Khulshi Thana or the adjacent Kotwali Thana, but it may be worth noting that Banglapedia: The National Encyclopedia of Bangladsh, has articles on both thanas, each article lists notable religious institutions in the thana, and neither mentions this mosque.[3][4] I remain skeptical that this meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:39, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I did find bare mentions here and here but the second one appears to be a different institution. BusterD (talk) 09:49, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To discuss new sources/changes. Remember that merging to Chittagong might also be an option.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 11:49, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Likely notable structure, with rewrite and some references added since AFD nom. --NoGhost (talk) 18:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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