Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Love (musician)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

James Love (musician)[edit]

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Inadequately referenced article with significant problems. This was first proposed for splitting over four years ago, because it conflates two different musicians who merely happened to have the same name -- but that split discussion from 2018 is somehow still open and unresolved in 2023 (thus suggesting low traffic and visibility), and a draft article about the American musician (which was basically just a straight copy-paste of all the "really about the American guy" stuff from this article, without adding any new content or sourcing about him besides what's already here) was rejected at AFC in 2019 for not adequately sourcing passage of WP:NMUSIC at all, and has never been resubmitted at all since.
But if you split off everything that appears to be about the Dillinger Escape Plan guy, then the Man Without Hat doesn't clearly pass NMUSIC either, because his role is referenced almost entirely to Facebook posts and glancing namechecks of his existence in coverage of the band as a whole -- but NMUSIC specifies that band members don't automatically get their own standalone biographies as separate topics from the band if they can't be shown to pass WP:GNG as individuals.
Given how little else of substance there actually is here, in fact, it's quite likely that the mistaken conflation of the American and Canadian musicians (thus seemingly fulfilling NMUSIC #6, "a musician who has been in two or more independently notable bands") was the intended basis for notability in the first place, but that clearly isn't applicable at all if they're not even the same person. And even if one James Love or the other can be salvaged with better support for notability than this, the conflation of two people made such a mess that it would probably be better to start over from scratch anyway. Bearcat (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Canada, and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. All the cited sources were promotional contents, trivial mentions or contained no mentions of the subject. Found no significant coverage to pass WP:GNG。 Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Several people really messed this up over the years. There are two James Love's, one who was in Men Without Hats and a totally different guy who was in Dillinger Escape Plan. Neither one is notable outside of his respective band. The guy in M.W.H. was a late nostalgia tour sideman 30 years after that band's glory days; the guy in D.E.P. has a more distinct history with that band but still without independent notability. During its entire existence since being created in 2016, this article has described the two guys as if they are the same person, which is downright embarrassing for Wikipedia. This all means that there is no place to send a redirect because it would cause confusion over whether a user is seeking the M.W.H. guy or the D.E.P. guy. This calls for pure deletion both for notability reasons and as a good old WP:TNT. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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