Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jakup Veseli

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The result was keep. henrik•talk 06:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jakup Veseli

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Fails WP:NOTABLE and WP:ONEEVENT. While the Declaration is itself notable, and many of its signatories are as well, it does not appear that this individual is notable for anything other than his signature. I cannot find anything about him in the literature. Since he is already listed at Albanian Declaration of Independence, Delete or Merge. Athenean (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete One-line stub, not notable.--Ptolion (talk) 08:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is one of the founding fathers of Albania. Extremely important political figure. How would an American like it if some of the founding fathers (signatories of the US Constitution) be "quietly deleted" because the mexicans don't like them. We're presently facing a greek initiative to delete Azis Tahir Ajdonati, Rexhep Demi, Veli Gërra, and Jakup Veseli, all Albanian founding fathers, but all of them should be kept. A stub is such because it will have future expansion.sulmues (talk) --Sulmues 14:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete One line? Also, fails WP:Notability. Not every signature is internationally important. --Tadija (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As a signatory to the Declaration of Independence for a country, there's a presumption that the person is a significant political figure. After all, we don't have random passers-by on a street signing such documents. With this being an historical figure, and sources likely being in Albanian, an Internet based search isn't ideal for finding sources. Sulmues has added some sources, and I would expect these would need to be evaluated. -- Whpq (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Whpq. --MW talk contribs 18:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject was a member of the Assembly of Vlora which acted as Albania's de facto national legislature immediately following independence, so passes WP:POLITICIAN. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Phil Bridger. Nathan^T 19:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: According to the only source in the article that we can actually check, [1], this individual is not one of signatories of the Declaration of Independence. What's going on here? --Athenean (talk) 20:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As per nominator.Alexikoua (talk) 13:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Jakup Veseli the Eslie source used in his article page does not mention him at all. The name does not exist in any form.Eslie source used Megistias (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Keep as a member of the Assembly of Vlora. The nature of a national declaration of independence is that it is issued by a body that has some of the characteristics of a national parliament and national government. The United States Declaration of Independence, for example, was issued by the Second Continental Congress. In the case of Albania, its declaration was enacted by the Assembly of Vlora, which was a national assembly. Arguably, then, each signatory of a national declaration of independence is automatically notable as a member of a national parliament or the equivalent. Also worth noting is the fact that all or almost all the people who signed the United States Declaration of Independence are also notable for reasons other than having signed the declaration and participated in the Second Continental Congress, whether as political or military leaders or for other reasons. This is a strong hint that the same is true for signatories of other national declarations of independence. As indicated in Albanian Declaration of Independence, the signatories are known as the Founding fathers (Albanian: Baballaret e kombit) of the Albanian modern state. - Eastmain (talk) 05:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Subject passes WP:POLITICIAN. kedadial 13:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. - Eastmain (talk) 05:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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