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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. The sources provided by ExRat are uncontested, which means that we need not discuss the questionable arguments about inherent notability of cabinets. Sandstein 14:57, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jaan Tõnisson's first cabinet[edit]

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This article contains 2 sentences and one table, it has one reference which seems to be user-generated content and is unreliable. It Fails WP:NOTABILITY PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 21:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I could be reading the translation wrong, but the source appears to be a website run by the National Library of Estonia and not user-generated content. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The style and wording of the page seemed user generated, but even so this article has one source. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That strikes me as not an argument and pretty much stating WP:SYSTEMIC BIAS. The visual appeal of the website shouldn't be relevant and it's not surprising there is limited English language sources on an early 20th century eastern european nation. But I don't think we have any sourcing issues here, a National Library website is generally going to be an WP:RS. It's just a question of WP:NOTABILITY. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. All Estonian cabinets (Category:Cabinets of Estonia) should be automatically notable--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
False just because something in a certain catagory exists does not make it notable PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep'. Every cabinet of a national or subnational government will be the subject of coverage by multiple reliable sources, and every cabinet member is automatically notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 11:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    False there is no coverage PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    False "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline." - WP:NPOL PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I do not see the point to be honest.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Only having one source does not qualify as Significant Coverage
WP:NPOL states: Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline."
WP:GNG states:
A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then go and find the coverage rather than AfD an article on an obviously notable subject. Ymblanter (talk) 20:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is pretty clear by now that the arguments of the nominator are pure lunacy. Ymblanter (talk) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"pure lunacy" isn't a very WP:CIVIL thing to call someone's arguments. It's just an AFD and a reasonable disagreement on the level of sourcing needed here. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ymblanter This article has not been proven notable by wikipedia's standards as per above quotes from WP:GNG & WP:NPOL PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 20:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am afraid you are proving my point. Ymblanter (talk) 21:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Tõnisson's first cabinet is covered extensively in both Krista Aru's 2019 two-volume biography Jaan Tõnisson – rahvajuht ja riigivanem (Rahvusarhiiv, ISBN: 978-9949-630-05-9 and 978-9949-630-06-6), and Jaan Tõnisson Eesti välispoliitikas 1917-1920, compiled and edted by Heino Arumäe, Tiit Arumäe and Kärt Jänes for the Jaan Tõnissoni Instituut. I am sure there are multitudes of other sources. ExRat (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Could have been SK3 given, e.g. members actually appointed to a cabinet are certainly no longer candidates, among other issues, though of course that's now moot. All the best, Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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