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The result was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude talk 07:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Izu Ugonoh[edit]

*Comment: Withdraw from dominator. Cassiopeia talk 23:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject is a boxer and a mixed martial arts fighters. Subject fails NBOX requirements and NMMA for not having at least 3 fights under top tier promotion. Subject also fails GNG as the fight info is merely routine reports. Cassiopeia talk 00:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment : 50% of the Polsat source - [5] and Onet.pl [6] is interview piece and 100% interia[7] [8] is interview piece - that would make the source not independent thus fails GNG - To pass GNG subject needs to be covered by significant coverage by independent, Reliable sources where by the subject is talked about in depth and in lenght and not only passing/partially mentioned. Cassiopeia talk 05:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so just to get clarification, articles that involve quotes from the person are not valid. For example [9] this article would be valid or not? HeinzMaster (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
HeinzMaster The site is independent and reliable but since it is an interview piece, that means the source become not independent nor reliable (same as subject homepage, diary, emails, letters, press releases, brochures, info from their marketing team, the promotion who their fight under, info from anyone who have affiliation/association/connection with and etc) for the info is dependent from the subject themselves. We can not use such source to contribute to the notability of the subject as per Wikipedia notability guidelines. I share you sentiment that many fighters should have a page or other promotions should be promoted to top tier; however, this is Wikipedia, we need to adhere to the guidelines. Cassiopeia talk 02:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am just trying to be clear about when articles where the subject has been contacted and answers some questions become indepedant or not. I found this, which suggests that it is just dependant on how much off the article is provided by the subject of an interview. [10] article would be sufficient with I assume. But an article like [11] or [12] would not? I am just trying to be clear and not being confrontational. HeinzMaster (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment: Not saying you were confrontational as I have duel with you many times and you are one of the civil editor and great contributor. My comments above were not meant to be harsh, guess I am not eloquent with my words, all I meant was the subject fails GNG and NBOX as per the guidelines. I apologies if I have offence you. Cassiopeia talk 22:17, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment: Pls read NBOX again - subject fail NBOX. Sujbect also fails GNG - Pls as sources are not independent due to the sources are interview pieces which means the info is derives from the subject/whom subject associated with. Do provide more independent, reliable sources if you think subject passes GNG but at the present stage the subject fails GNG and NBOX. Cassiopeia talk 22:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Sufficient independent sources definitely aren't lacking, passes GNG. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 10:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment: subject fails GNG - Pls note that the sources are not independent due to the sources are interview pieces which means the info is derives from the subject/whom subject associated with. To pass GNG subject needs to have significant coverage by independent, reliable sources which the subject is talked about in details and in length and not passing mentioned. Cassiopeia talk 22:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for broader participation. BD2412 T 06:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BD2412 T 06:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 14:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have now done massive amount of work so it is now up to your standard. My problem is all of these resources are out there and are not hard to find. You @Cassiopeia could have done all of this yourself, but instead of doing it yourself you got too lazy and put the article up for deletion instead. My apologies if I offend or break any wikipedia rules but you could have done this. On top of that there are other articles you have done this to as well instead of actually adding in the sources yourself which are easy to get. Bennyaha (talk) 02:00, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: non of the sources on the page are either independent or reliable to verify the info. Significant coverage from independent, reliable sources where by the sources talk about the subject in length and in-depth and not only merely passing mentioned to pass the NOBOX notability requirements. Cassiopeia talk
  • Delete He doesn't meet WP:NBOX since interim titles are specifically excluded from showing notability. Searching through the sources I see coverage that is to be expected for every professional boxer--fight results and promotional material. I don't believe that is significant enough to show WP notability. Am willing to reconsider if someone can point to specific coverage that clearly meets WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 02:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It meets it WP:NBOX under number 2 for being ranked in the 10 top in WBO and IBF as seen on here [13] and [14]. On top of that yes he orginally won the WBO Afican and WBA Oceania titles as a Interim but later it was increase the WBO African title to full status and IBF regional title was full status WP:NBOX under number 1 is metting that too. There is actually a lot of content on google about all of this. Bennyaha (talk) 02:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. If you could show specific significant coverage, instead of saying there's "a lot of content on google" I think it would help show WP notability. The burden of proof is on those who claim notability, although the rankings help make a good case (which is why I crossed out my delete vote). Papaursa (talk) 02:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Squared.Circle.Boxing and Bennyaha: Thank you for the sources and pls put all the sources in the articles and remove all the facebook, utube and social media sources as they are considered not reliable. Cassiopeia talk 23:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I believe youtube is a reliable source depending on the content for example if the content is showing exactly whats happening from a live coverage of an even then certainly that should be a good source. Bennyaha (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Bennyaha: Utube and all social media are almost always not reliable. It is not about showing what happened, but about the source reliability) - Wikipedia is not about the true but all bout verification by independent, relaible source - see Wikipedia:But it's true!. By the way, I have withdraw the nomination as other sources Squared.Circle.Boxing provided the cliam. Just wait for uninvolved editor to close keep the article. Thank you for your contribution. Cassiopeia talk 22:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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