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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge with Ithaca, New York. - Mailer Diablo 15:53, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ithaca, City of Evil

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Non notable political slur. Google pulls 83 hits. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 04:09, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's worth merging with the main article.

Merge and redirect to Ithaca, New York.*Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 04:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect and Merge to Ithaca, New York, as I've seen this in a few books on New York history.--Sean Black | Talk 04:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete attack page - CSD A6 --anetode¹² ³ 05:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Redirect --anetode¹ ² ³ 11:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no sources lead me to believe that this is original resource contrary to WP:NOR. No merge as it would not improve the Ithaca article to have these unsourced claims added and no redirect because I doubt that many people would search for Ithaca, City of Evil rather than Ithaca. Merge and redirect given we know have more sources. Capitalistroadster 05:37, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment by author. As a resident of Ithaca and creator of the subject entry: Ithaca's nickname "City of Evil" dates back to its earlier name of "Sodom" and a road to Ithaca by that name still exists; the usage is neither new nor original with me, but has a long-standing history. Ithaca's reputation for liberal politics is huge, with both left and right acknowledging it as a nexus of liberal political activity. If you spell "Ithaca" correctly, the Google hits on the topic go way up (first commenter misspelled it): 644 hits. The "City of Evil" nickname is in common use locally and nationally, with both detractors and supporters of the city using it (the latter with cheerful ironic pride), so while it may originally have been intended as a slur, it has been reclaimed in the same sense that Wiccans have reclaimed "witch". This important transition and usage is sociologically notable, and hence (IMO) worthy of addition to the store of information about Ithaca. Respectfully submitted, --Dayglored 07:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as POV fork, no merge as Ithaca, New York already covers topic. --JJay 08:14, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. If there are verifiable sources, they should be added to the article. At the moment, all we have is a Cafepress link. Capitalistroadster 08:28, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment by author. Good points, so I have added verifiable sources for the historical name, also corrected some context about the resurgent modern usage, and clarified the point of the entry, namely the dual usage of the same nickname by both detractors and supporters. The main article on Ithaca, New York originally had much unsuitable provocative POV material (if you think mine is POV, you should see how the earlier posts started) which I edited down extensively, and then decided to make a separate detail page for this particular aspect. However, the argument for a merge is compelling, and I would be pleased to merge the separate page under discussion here into the corresponding section of the main Ithaca article. Does that address the concern that landed this article in the "to be deleted" section? If so I'll do the merge. --Dayglored 09:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak keep or maybe merge. I don't know, seems interesting, could be a section of main Ithaca article, though. Needs to be cleaned up.--Kewp (t) 09:31, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and Redirect. Ifnord 18:46, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I find the current version both interesting and well-balanced. I had no idea the city used be known this way!

  • Comment by author. Thanks for the continuing excellent input; I'm learning a lot about how Wiki pages need to be done... BTW, I added a Yahoo-maps link to the remnant of an old road into the city, which still retains the old name "Sodom Rd." I presume that an interactive search link to Yahoo Maps is not considered a copyvio, although a snap of the resulting image might be; opinion/precedent? Thanks. --Dayglored 19:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment by author. Couple of minor edits for clarity and more balanced phrasing. Added a link for "City of Sin" to a page with a copy of an article/essay by Cornell Univ. Sr. lecturer and historian Carol Kammen (the original source page has gone 404). I plan to drive out and get a photo of the "Sodom Rd." road sign this week, to complement the Yahoo map link. -- Dayglored 02:48, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment by author. Added picture of Sodom Road sign (taken today). Contacted Carol Kammen (see comment above) by email to obtain additional sources and references; trip to library req'd, since most are not linkable on web at this time. -- Dayglored 23:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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