Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic School, Irbid

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The result was no consensus. Perhaps a discussion could be held regarding the exact definition of "high school." King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic School, Irbid

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Middle schools and lower grades are not generally notable under wp standards, and are subject to deletion/redirect; this appears to be one of the NN ones. Epeefleche (talk) 22:43, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. From the article: "The school's teaching level reaches up to 10th grade." That is sufficient to make it a high school/secondary school. High schools are usually kept per editor consensus. • Gene93k (talk) 00:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a high school. No reason why it doesn't meet WP:GNG. TerriersFan (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Hi. I had understood that while we usually keep high schools (schools that reach 12th grade) per editor consensus, that is not the case with middle schools/junior high schools and other schools that are junior to high schools. Can you perhaps point me to the consensus that middle schools/junior high schools are kept, that you refer to? Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:39, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - 10th grade (age 16) is the cusp for a high school since that is the level when a school leaving certificate is awarded. TerriersFan (talk) 02:44, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I did understand that high schools (through 12th grade) were presumptively keeps, I did not understand there to be a consensus that schools through 10th grade -- on the cusp of high school, but short by 2 years of the typical high school -- were presumptively keeps. If there is a discussion you can point me to that demonstrates a consensus for that, that would be most helpful. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a high school per TerriersFan. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Run of the mill primary school with no claim to fame. The school does not qualify as a high school. Google search turned up nothing establishing notability. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 20:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a primary school. It teaches to Grade 10 as already explained. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

and it teaches Tawjihi which is International Baccalaureate equivalent and is a university-entrance qualification; only high schools teach to university entrance. Primary schools, by contrast, teach to high school-entrance. TerriersFan (talk) 22:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As stated in the article, the school only teaches up to grade ten, and its students don't finish the requirements for Tawjihi, which reqires education up to grade twelve. The students do not receive a finishing diploma equivalent to the complete Tawjihi diploma. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 20:34, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not provide education through 12th grade, so is more of a primary and middle school, and as such does not enjoy the common outcome of an assumption of notability accorded high schools. The sources provided do not appear to satisfy WP:ORG. Edison (talk) 18:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 02:26, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Hmmm, 10th grade — tough call. No opinion as to inclusion-worthiness or lack thereof. Carrite (talk) 09:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete, no sources indicating notability, and technically more of a middle/elementary school. Could have some potential if it were sourced and expanded, I suppose. dalahäst ^(talk) 11:11, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not meet WP:GNG and is on the cusp of current school guidelines but its to close for me.Edinburgh Wanderer 22:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per longstanding consensus. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 00:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The number of grades towards the completion of secondary education is 12 in the united states, but it can be different in other countries. The general meaning is the grade which prepared for university, but this too varies in different countries--as does the actual academic accomplishment expected at that point. Fortunately, there is a true international standard, the International Baccalaureate. Any school teaching up to that level is a true secondary school, and as Epeefleche says, we regard all such as notable. This school teaches to that level, so there is only one conclusion. DGG ( talk ) 07:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You misread, then. The school does not finish the IB program. Nor does it finish the Jordanian requirements. Nor are its students "prepared for university". The school just teaches the first year or two of each curriculum. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 08:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can see, Dominus appears to be correct here.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 07:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not appear to pass WP:GNG or WP:ORG; which high schools are not exempt from. Admittedly, sourcing may be difficult due to systemic bias; I'd be open to changing my mind if more sources arise. But until that happens it just looks like a run of the mill school. Them From Space 08:04, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Year 10 is a high school, lack of sources does not mean that the school isn't notable. As pointed out by several people previously, systemic bias makes it difficult to round up RS'.. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 11:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
psss... you already !voted... Them From Space 17:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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