Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic Peace

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was that, although the current content is not brilliant prose and probably has WP:OR issues, there is no consensus to delete the article. Sandstein (talk) 06:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic Peace[edit]

'Islamic Peace' is an OR term. There are no reliable sources using this term. This is as valid as having an article titled Islamic violence. Any useful content should be merged on other pages. Didnt want to bite the newcomer who made the article but unfortunately, the term does not exist and so the page will have to be merged somewhere else.Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 06:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion - I sugggest the article is renamed, along the lines of Peace in Islamic thought or Peace and Islamic thought, (or something less cumbersome). Islamic perspectives on peace, and critical research on those perspectives, deserves an article in this encyclopedia. With a slight change of focus, this article could do just that. Mostlyharmless (talk) 08:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or the title could be "Islam and the concept of peace" (which I feel would be better) but I'm not supporting that either. The article is largely OR and its similiar to making Muhammad and Pedophilia because like this case, there are many people who've associated the two terms. So this is just original research. Collecting a few fragments about these two words being mentioned in the same sentence or paragraph doesnt justify an article. Thats the main point. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 15:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

one humble question to mr.User:Matt57 wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a dictionary as you are saying frequently of not existing the term[?] can you conferm that the titles of the wikipedia articles are terms or words. there are thousands of articles which are explaining the events and difinitions with appropriate simplified words. Zikrullah (talk) 15:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as "Islamic peace". No reliable source mentions this. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 17:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The only problem I see with the article is its title, which is a neologism. The content, however, is suitable for an encyclopedia article under a different title. My preference would be for Peace in Islamic Thought. RJC ^Talk 19:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peace in Islamic thought I agry with this title.122.161.29.239 (talk) 05:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:POVFORK from Religion of Peace. 66.29.115.69 (talk) 13:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If anything Religion of Peace is an unimportant neologism that should be reworked under this article... but, it's too long and so should remain separate. gren グレン 12:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 12:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: sir, this article is an introduction to the concept of peace in islam. it is not a political or disputed subject but a basic belief within islam which is also the core of religious belief about the fate of humanity in this world in all the religion semetic or dharmic. i can mention many things related to it from the scriptures like holy bible and gita also. the Kingdom of God or wasudhaiw kutumbkam(global family in hindu philosophy) are very classical concepts of global peace in almost every culture which is often related with the end of the time or judgement day. So there is no question about the importance of the topic. every critical idea to improve it is awaited eagerly! bless you bless theism! do not delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zikrullah (talk • contribs)
~~Delete~~, though I want to see some feedback from other Muslims in this discussion. Per the nom, this appears to be pretty much original research with some hints of islamic evangelism. This is fine and well and all, but how important the content is is subjective, and is not a criteria for inclusion here on Wikipedia. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 21:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ask, and I shall receive. I'm going to assume good faith on the part of the author and the Muslim community as a whole, and change my !vote to a keep, as they are working on the article. Good call, Lenticel, I should barnstar you for that. =^_^= --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 05:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I already asked WP:ISLAM to take a look as Dennis requested. --Lenticel ^(talk) 23:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but rename to Peace in Islam or something similar. The current title isn't appropriate, and much of the content is either non-neutral or original research, but fundamentally this seems to me like an acceptable topic for an encyclopaedia article. It will need plenty of rewriting/cleanup, of course. Terraxos (talk) 03:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
the article subject is not related only to miletary or war but also to socialogical and eschatological aspects.Zikrullah (talk) 05:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge anything relevant into Islamic military jurisprudence where it is both a more neutral title, and opposing scholarly viewpoints can be discussed under a far more neutral title. Deletion is also a good idea.Yahel Guhan 03:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As taking sincere consideration of above views i want to ask to edit the article precisely as to make it encyclopedic and neutral! PLEASE NOTICE! there may be some content to be included in the article .whatever is inappropriate , i want to remove it. sourcing is also to be done. but meanwhile please give me time and do not delete anything as i myself now going to delete if any thing creates problem with standards so please talk before editing! thanks and blessings! Zikrullah (talk) 05:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename to "Peace in Islam". Its a notable topic. The new user who created it has already dug up some reliable references.Bless sins (talk) 11:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Bless sins. Noor Aalam (talk) 19:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Islam and peace, or similar, and make more neutral in point of view (See WP:NPOV). The article has two problems. One is that it currently reads something like an essay and expounds a single point of view, although that is potentially correctable. The second problem is that the title does not convey what the article is intended to be about, and the term is non-neutral (The Latin phrases "Pax Brittanica", "Pax Americana" etc. imply a victorious peace dominated by the named party. This connotation carries somewhat into the English translations (American peace, British peace). It does not appear to be what was intended. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 23:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC) Would also agree to rename to Peace in Islam per User:Bless Sins. --Shirahadasha (talk) 14:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per Shirahadasha. I agree that Islamic peace or Pax Islam still doesn't exist.--Lenticel ^(talk) 00:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenticel said "I'm OK with either "Peace in Islam" or "Islam and peace" (one of them might be a redirect to the other). Both seem to be valid titles." This comment was made on my talk page,[1] where the user expressly allowed me to refer to it in the AfD.Bless sins (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Global peace in Islam /Islamic Global Peace are better than peace in islam i think, as the the foundational concept in the teachings of islam / islamic theology is about Prevailing the peace all over the world and to every person of any race.The same idea is mentioned in bible and hindu philosophy as kingdom of God [as God wish it] and wasudhaiw kutumbakam[global family]. I will write an article on wasudhaiw kutumbakam and i need some help from my elder brothers.the article islamic peace may be renamed most appropriate and i am still editing it near the standards. Zikrullah (talk) 03:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC) blessings![reply]
Delete Blatant violation of WP:OR.--CltFn (talk) 03:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This article has been moved to Peace in Islamic Thought. I think it's time to close this AfD, as the main issue (neologism) has been resolved. If the article cannot be improved to avoid OR issues after repeated attempts, then it might be relisted. But the page is less than half a month old, and there are ongoing efforts to resolve the OR issue. It would be inappropriate to delete the article for a problem which people are working to resolve, and no argument has been given thus far for why an article of this sort cannot possibly avoid OR issues. RJC ^Talk 17:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename to "Peace in Islamic philosophy" or something similar. The topic certainly appears to be notable, as a search of Google Books illustrates. Although the article needs cleaning up, there's clearly no shortage of potential sources. -- ChrisO (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now, per above comment by User:RJC. Feer 10:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, there definitely is an article within this title. I'm a little worried about some of the sources used and scope issues... because this will be a very hard issue to cover since I don't think it's always explicitly written about in classical texts... but, I would keep and trim down some of this. gren グレン 12:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.