Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iranian nations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was ambiguous. First, I don't know why a good faith nomination received so many "speedy keep" votes early on. Alright, there is not any majority, let alone a consensus for deletion. I have reviewed this article and Greater Iran and have observed that this article is more about the current situation while the Greater Iran article is more historical. Yet all the references/links in the article relate to history, not to the current situation. I am closing this as a tentative keep, and recommend that someone more knowledgable than me look into this and decide whether or not to merge it. I defer that discussion to Talk:Greater Iran. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian nations

Delete: Not notable and missing references (also requires cleanup). Neologism in the best case. Aucaman^Talk 22:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: Important article regarding Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dariush4444 (talk • contribs)
- SPEEDY KEEP: The article must be kept and expand.User:Dariush4444 (Double vote by new user User:Dariush4444. Both votes moved down from above the nomination.) Lukas ^(T.|@) 22:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep: The article is well referenced, you did not even ask in the talk page about any problems with it before put it up for deletion. False request. --Kash 23:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Those are not references. Where's the information in the article coming from? Pakistan is an Iranian nation? Huh? In the best case it's personal research. Aucaman^Talk 23:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: A notable subject, but needs some clean up. --ManiF 23:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: Articulate article laced with many crecible refrences.Zmmz 23:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: Iranians are a branch of Indo-Europeans and the article should be kept. Just like there are Arabic speaking nations, Germanic nations, and Turkic nations, there exist Iranian nations

Ali doostzadeh 20:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; non-notable neologism. Merge content into Iran.--csloat 23:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It has nothing to do with Iran nation, it stands as a nationalist ideology as claimed in the article --Kash 23:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

uhh, yeah it does; it refers to nationalism that lays claim to a "greater" Iran. There could be a section on this in the Iran article, or perhaps elsewhere, but the phrase "Iranian nations" used in this manner is not notable.--csloat 23:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked and found articles for Greater Iran and Pan-Iranism. There is no need for this article. The supposed references for this article -- I looked at all four of them -- never once mention "Iranian nations" used in this manner. I'm not sure what the point of this page is, since we have the others.--csloat 00:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe these articles should mention it. I dont know. There is more than 1 Iranian Nationalism ideology though, you have to remember that. There are a few dozen of different Iranian nationalist parties in Iran and out of Iran.--Kash 00:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Someone removed the AfD notice from the article, I reverted to put it back. I'm leaning towards keeping this article, but if so, shouldn't it be renamed Iranian Nationalism? --Xyzzyplugh 23:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's just neologist nationalism without any references. Aucaman^Talk 23:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The article has many references, what are you talking about? --Kash 23:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If you have problems with article not having enough references, ask about it in the Talk page, do not delete it, so again I vote Speedy Keep, if you are confused about this matter see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Aucaman for hundreds of similar actions taken by this user. --Kash 23:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: External links are not the same as references. I suggest someone separate the two in this article. --Khoikhoi 00:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Greater Iran. --Khoikhoi 00:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Why would you want to merge something that is not well-referenced? It's a made up term. Aucaman^Talk 00:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because they're basically about the same thing. --Khoikhoi 00:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The term is not made-up. There are hundreds of references to "Iranian nations" in many academic papers and articles. Just google the term and you'll get hundreds of results, many of them academic. --ManiF 20:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It only get 338 hits. "[Any country] + nations" is likely to get a lot of hits. Try any country. Most of them get more than 338 hits. "German nations" gets 17,400, so that should have an article too? Aucaman^Talk 21:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"German nations" gets so many hits because of so many references to the "nations" of Eastern and Western Germany during the Cold War. Regardless, that's irrelevant to this discussion. My point was that the term "Iranian nations" is not a "made up term" and that's a fact. Persians, Kurds, Baluchs and many other Iranian peoples are referred to as the "the Iranian nations" in many published scholarly works. --ManiF 22:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Khoikhoi abakharev 00:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per Khoukoi. Capitalistroadster 00:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Khoikhoi. Heja Helweda 01:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge A human 02:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge as per Khoikhoi. SouthernComfort 02:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Duplicates Greater Iran. I'd say Redirect to Greater Iran, but the name "Iranian nations" doesn't make any sense. Peter Grey 08:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Khoikhoi - the references might be a useful addition to the Greater Iran page in any case MLA 16:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Greater Iran. Gol 21:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: An important article that should be kept. --(Aytakin) | Talk 18:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete seems to be yet another example of ethnic irredentism -- many of the "ethnicity" articles seem to be prone to this. Zora 23:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It has nothing to be merged into other articles. D iyako Talk + 09:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.