Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iran International Exhibitions Company

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Article has changed significantly since it was listed and no long falls into G11 territory. There have been several calls for a move, so I suggest that is discussed on the talk page. Politics have no bearing on deletion discussions like these and in future I ask ediors to remember that. Viridae ^Talk 13:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iran International Exhibitions Company[edit]

Twice G11 deleted. This is disputed and a request was made to allow discussion to take place, hence why this is here. Despite the fact I did speedy delete this article, I think this request is valid, and make no recommendation myself at this stage as to whether or not the result of this debate should be keep or delete. Petros471 09:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - Article is still G11. DarkSaber2k 14:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Speedy~~ delete, in this form, it is a blatant spam.--Pejman47 17:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

fairgrounds are internationally known. So, I change my vote to move. Moving it to a new article about its fairgrounds and explaining about its owner in its article in an appropriate section. --Pejman47 22:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose delete: This organization is a legitimate and prominent Iranian Company affiliated with the Ministry of Commerce. They are in charge of hosting and organizing exhibitions in Iran for International Companies and Iranian Co. as well. I am not related to this Co. WHATSOEVER. This article is neither spam nor advertisement in any way. People can edit to make it shorter if they want. I just put enough FACTS (and ONLY facts) so that people might have a better idea of what this Co. does and their capacity, like for many other Co. in the List of Major Iranian Companies.

To be honest, I think this article was precipitously deleted just before the International Exhibition where many International Oil and Gas Co. were participating and which was held in Tehran between April and May 2007, and because of the International sanctions against Iran.

Wikipedia is not a place to play politics. For the rest, if something needs to be reworded in this article, people can do it WITHOUT deleting it. Just for info, please note that I did not create the first article, which was on Wikipedia for more than a year, if I am correct. SSZ 18:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

can you understand for an article not being spam, it should has some links from "third party" sources and must not begin with "The Iran International Exhibitions Company (IIEC) is the largest and leading organizer of international and specialized exhibitions", believe me there is no political agenda behind that deletion, you can only save it by putting some third party references, not its own website!--Pejman47 19:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the point and there are many other articles on the List of Prominent Iranian Companies that have "no third party external weblinks" (as you put it) and I haven't seen you dealing with them with the same zealotry in the past. Actually I haven't seen you anywhere on the economy of Iran or directly related article (in the economy section I mean). I know, because I have done many edits to the economy of Iran article over the past year. As I said, YOU can EDIT the article if you want. There is no need or reason to delete it. Besides I am not a representative for this Co. in any way, shape or form. For the rest, as I said, it is a prominent Iranian Company linked to World trade. Iran has been denied entrance to the WTO and is under sanctions. Those are facts. same for the timing of this speedy deletion request (Just before a major International Oil and Gas exhibition organized by this Co. and just AFTER the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747 to punish Iran economically for not halting uranium enrichement. This, for an article which has been on Wikipedia for more than one year and previously reviewed). Finally and respectfully, I am not here to second guess your motivations. Deeds and facts should only matter here. I have also noticed you reverted my edits on separate articles relating to Iran before, this shortly after my own edits and and I was wondering if you don't stalk me on Wikipedia. This is only a polite question, NOT an accusation or insinuation in any way at this point in time, because I don't know WHO you are and I had NO other encounter or any discussion with you before. Finally, you gave me a warning to block me from editing in the future on my talk page, which obviously is erroneous and uncalled for and which was deleted for that same reason. (I have NEVER EVER been accused and convicted of spaming)SSZ 21:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I do not think this article should be speedy deleted. Deleted, maybe. But this afd debate should be allowed to run full course, in particular as it appears attempts at improving the article are being made. Petros471 18:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Move- Maybe it is better to move the page to Tehran permanent fair ground. This is the name that is more familiar. The Fair Ground is more important than the company that is responsible for the place. (Arash the Archer 18:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

yes, I agree. it is a wise suggestion. --Pejman47 19:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For info, the name used most is Iran International Exhibitions Company and then Tehran’s International Fairgrounds in the media. Besides, there is already a re-direct from Tehran International Fair in place.SSZ 15:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Keep. ~~Failed~~ Passes Primary Criterion of WP:CORP. The article ~~does not have~~ has an independent, non-trivial coverage, non-autobiography and independent secondary source to pass the notability criteria. — Indon (reply) — 09:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I see now one statement with 5 citations! Please reduce them because it looks to as WP:POINT. You don't need to have 5 citations to state that it is the largest exhibition organiztion in Iran. One link goes to a dead page, one is totally unrelated, two links tell only about some fairs (not a subject), but I found this is a good secondary source for the subject. Therefore I changed my vote to keep. — Indon (reply) — 07:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done--sources have been added.

Comment. The links added as an external links. Could you please add them as sources? Please read WP:CITE. — Indon (reply) — 08:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, fails WP:CORP. Sources are primarily about other topics. An article about the fairgrounds, however, seems appropriate, and information about the exhibitions held there could be in that article. --Dhartung | Talk 19:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non Sense. The "Tehran's International Fairgrounds" is the name of the PLACE only. The EVENTS are all organized by the Iran International Exhibitions Company. We are talking about a COMPANY here, NOT an event or a place. This company meets ALL of Wikipedia's criterias (see WP:CORP). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.116.234.208 (talk) 22:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Comment I am surprise that Tehran haven't block Wikipedia. I can imagine it now: "Wikipedia is an attempt by West to marginalize the Iranian people's life, from economy to its culture, by stating that it is insignificant." George Leung 08:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
and how this comment relates to the AfD debate? — Indon (reply) — 10:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Opposed delete for reason's above stated by SSZ (I do not know him/her, nor have any interests in the company whatsoever), it's sourced, and being expanded, and for historical reasons. Other companies of Iran have MUCH less info, such as this one [1], for example. And that's only for companies in Iran. - Jeeny ^Talk 03:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Let me see if I understand this ... you are comparing an article for an "organizer of international and specialized exhibitions" (basically a Very Large fairground) with the article for Iranian Aluminium Company (a factory), which is a stub that has been here since 2005-08-01? One is encyclopedic, albeit Just A Stub ... OTOH, Iran International Exhibitions Company looks like WP:VSCA, and it doesn't matter how much lipstick you put on that pig ... statements like
  IIEC holds over 110 of international and specialized exhibitions annually.
  read like something from a promotional brochure ... OTOH, Madison Square Garden (an organization in the same kind of business enterprise, i.e., "exhibitions") says,
  ... the name of the entity which owns the arena and several of the professional sports franchises which play there.
  and no one would consider that either unencyclopedic or promotional ... remove the spam and stick a {{Company-stub}} on it (or else redirect it), and then Move On. —68.239.79.82 07:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - I took my own advice and stubified it ... you can read my comments on the Discussion page ... Happy Editing! —68.239.79.82 08:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.