Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ion Perez

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 13:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ion Perez

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Fails WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:GNG. Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON as well. 4 out 8 sources are not independent (since all of them are from ABS-CBN) while the other 3 are unreliable sources (the MSN source is a duplicate of the Kami one). This leaves the Manila Bulletin source the only independent reliable source available. Unfortunately, Ion Perez isn't the main focus of this source. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 17:00, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 17:00, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 17:00, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect again to It's Showtime. — Ctrlwiki (talk) 11:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to It's Showtime (Philippine TV program). SeanJ 2007 (talk) 03:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a notable person.TheHotwiki (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of It's Showtime cast members, not the main Showtime article. 96.5.241.153 (talk) 12:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Vice Ganda; has been in order productions aside from It's Showtime, but is primarily known as Vice Ganda's boyfriend. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Generally, nobody thinks that it should be kept, but there's no consensus regarding a specific redirect target. With no prejudice towards the final outcome (whether it be keep, merge, redirect, or delete), editors who are supporting a redirect are encouraged to discuss an optimal redirect location out of those proposed so as to try to come to a consensus for the target of the redirect proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are 4 different suggested redirect targets above, but - as Mike points out - little to no rationale as to why any would be more appropriate than any other. So, I'm going to blatantly canvass Ctrlwiki, SeanJ 2007, 96.5.241.153, and Howard the Duck to ask if they would like to substantiate their suggestions... St★lwart¹¹¹ 07:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It should be redirected to It's Showtime because this is where he became famous, he was famous before he became Vice Ganda's boyfriend, more information about him is attached in the It's Showtime article than the List of It's Showtime cast members article. — Ctrlwiki (talk) 08:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This guy has also starred in movies(!) Direct-to-stream, but still are full-length feature movies. Now, if that makes for him to be notable on some SNG, that's fine, but if we're redirecting him, his main claim to notoriety is being Vice Ganda's boyfriend; in fact most WP:RS of him don't mention the TV show, but the fact that he is in a movie/production where his role is a heterosexual, and if Vice Ganda has something to say about that, not if him showing up for It's Showtime will be affected. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:29, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The issue is not whether there are enough sources about this individual. A cursory search on Google News of "Ion Perez" reveals numerous independent (i.e. not affiliated with ABS-CBN) articles about him: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. So the pertinent question is: does he have any roles to meet the requirements of WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:GNG. In my opinion, he does, but barely. I looked at his IMDB credits and he starred in a handful of movies as a prominent supporting cast member. By prominent, I mean he is usually credited as amongst the first few cast members. Along with his appearances on It's Showtime, I think that meets the requirement: "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Koikefan (talk) 01:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To allow further analysis on the sources indicated above.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 11:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: because some of notable information about him is mentioned in the It's Showtime article. And as I said, he is already popular in It's Showtime before he became Vice Ganda's boyfriend, and there is no information about him that mentioned in Vice Ganda's article except for the information mentioning that he is Vice Ganda's boyfriend. Ctrlwiki (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:ENT with sources presented by Koikefan. They're reliable enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more relist. There's still no clear redirect target, but there's not enough consensus to keep the article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 13:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the source is reliabe and this person is already notable before he met Vice Ganda. What need of this article is to improve it more and Meets WP:ENT with sources presented by Koikefan. Nyanda Barasa (talk) 05:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Koikefan, enough sources to meet WP:GNG NemesisAT (talk) 20:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Koikefan. Ctrlwiki (talk) 23:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Koikefan. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as there are now easily enough sources.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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