Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Interocitor

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The result was redirect to This Island Earth (novel). —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 02:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interocitor

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Fictional device. The article likely fails WP:GNG, one RS is cited ([1]) but I don't see any analysis of this concept, just some plo summary. Other than that we have a mostly unreferenced plot summary and WP:IPC/WP:NOTTVTROPES list of media that use the word interocitor. Trivia all the way down, I am afraid. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:23, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Science fiction and fantasy. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:23, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep like Ansible it's somewhat of a SF touchstone or injoke, which is why the portion of the article listing mentions is more than just trivia. Would agree that verbiage to that effect and more references would improve the article. Artw (talk) 17:25, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You provide no arguments for this meeting WP:GNG. We could consider a merge to ansible (which has the unreferencec claim that " For example, similar communication functions were included in a device called an interocitor in the 1952 nove"), but frankly, it doesn't look notable either. Perhaps a merge of both to Faster-than-light_communication#Fictional_devices could salvage something (and result in redirects). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I not seeing your WP:GNG failure or either of those as useful merges. Artw (talk) 12:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've acquired a copy of the essay collection, The New Utopian Politics of Ursula K. Le Guin’s The Dispossessed, which discusses the ansible in terms of ecological political theory, literary analysis, and societal ideals. The ansible also has a scientific paper devoted to the idea, The Monogamy of Entanglement and the Impossibility of the Creation of a Quantum Ansible, published in the Moscow University Physics Bulletin. On this basis, I disagree with merging ansible. (For future reference, the essay collection also gives us a lead, Reflections on Le Guin's Narrative Shifts by Jim Jose, published in Science-Fiction Studies, and the ansible's symbolic significance is discussed in the article The Thought Experimentation in the Science Fiction of Le Guin Balaji by Anandrao Navle, but I'm unable to make sense of the details of the publication that article was in.) I shall be adding these things to that article. I also suck at doing so, and could use a hand from any editors who're familiar with literary theory. --Kiz o r 22:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kizor I'll be happy to c/e your edits, ping me when you'd like me to take a look. Back on topic, what do you think we should do with the article on interocitor? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I remember the Interocitor scene from when they did The Island Earth on Mystery Science Theater 3000. I thought surely I'd be able to find some sources for it. I found plenty of T-shirts for sale with the interocitor on it, along with 3d printer schematics, fan art, and all kinds of things named after the Interocitor, but I just couldn't find any sources about the article's subject itself. It looks like it's some cultural interest there, but that doesn't mean it warrants a Wikipedia article. On Google Books I did find a few mentions of it, though really only in passing as part of a synopsis for The Island Earth (both the book and the movie). For better or worse the article's subject just does not meet WP:GNG (and I'm not aware of any more specific notability guidelines that might apply). - Aoidh (talk) 06:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to This Island Earth (novel), where it first appeared and whose role in the plot is already fully described. There is really no sources about the device that would make it independently notable, and the vast bulk of the article is simply a recap of the plot of the book and its film adaptation. The rest of the article besides that is just unsourced trivia, much of which is minor "appearances" of the device or word. I could potentially see an "influences"-type section being added to the This Island Earth (novel) article mentioning that the device went on to be a sci-fi "in-joke" in later works, but as this article has no actual sourced content discussing that, then merging anything over to do that would not be appropriate. Rorshacma (talk) 16:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect a good target is This Island Earth (novel) where it is already mentioned. Lightburst (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.