Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inez Palange

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The result was keep. General consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 09:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inez Palange[edit]

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The article lacks even one reliable source. It has been tagged with this problem for five years. IMDb only demonstrates that the person existed, and even at that at times is allged to have errors and is not a reliable source. My search for sources only showed as an additional real source Find A Grave, but that is not a reliable source either. There is no indication that any of Palange's roles meet the guideline of being significant roles in notable productions. There seems to have been an attempt to create articles on everyone credited in Hollywood film productions from 1920-1950 or maybe more years. This is just not the intended scope of notability for Wikipedia. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Google Books has hundreds of results, showing Palange as among the principal cast of several films. --Michig (talk) 21:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC) A search of British newspapers from the first half of the 20th century shows her in significant roles in Speed to Burn, Road Demon, Winner Take All, Caught in the Act (starring role), Song of the City, and Little Miss Roughneck. --Michig (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails GNG and NACTOR (#1); "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.". I used Google, Google books, and even Rotten Tomatoes, IMDb and Find-Grave. Just raw data, and mention of a name that leads to bit-parts do not advance notability. Someone would have to actually show me the links that support Has had significant roles for actual notability, as I just don't see them, nor anything reliable to ever expand this past a 23 word pseudo-biagraphy. The movies listed on the article and above:
1)- Always Goodbye (1931 film) (one reference and IMDb "External links"): minor role,
2)- Song of the City (1937): A minor role,
3)- Romance of the Rio Grande (1941): Minor role.
4)- The Grapes of Wrath (film) (1940)) : Uncredited and almost nonexistent (Woman in Camp) and the subject is listed number 73 out of 77 in the cast.
5)- Speed to Burn (1938) (not listed in the article): Minor part playing Mama Gambini (as Ines Palange), listed at the bottom but at least not in the extra cast section,
6) Caught in the Act (1941) stars Henry Armetta, Iris Meredith, and Robert Baldwin. Ines is the stars wife and not significant role (at least #5 now) and was certainly not a "staring roll" as suggested above,
7)- Road Demon (1938), Minor roll and #11 on the cast list,
8)- Winner Take All (1939 film): Minor role, #7 on the cast list.
9)- Little Miss Roughneck (1938): Minor role (Mercedes Orozco), #6 on the cast list.

I could keep going on but all the rest are the same and most of the movies with Wikipedia coverage have one reference supported by IMDb usually used as a reference. Otr500 (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So you think actors in films listed 5, 6, and 7 in the cast list only had 'minor roles'? Like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader were some sort of minor characters in Star Wars? I've searched newspaper articles from the era she was appearing in films, which is a better guide that Rotten Tomatoes for that era. --Michig (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rotten Tomatoes sucks but I do not consider #5, #6, #7 to be "significant" for notability but am open to considering RS's. I have a very sensible idea: put the links, that two other editors couldn't find with no reason to lie, here if not in the article. I like all things history, but unlike some editors, I subscribe to following policies and guidelines. I consider any role, that doesn't have some notability (significant roles as identified by reliable sources), not leading roles or close supporting, to be minor for notability. If there is not some point or gauge then all members of the cast not uncredited would be considered "significant" and that is just not what consensus has shown. You listed the subject as having a "starring role" (headlining) in Caught in the Act so this must be a different film. I don't need "hundreds" but certainly more reliable sources than provided or that can be easily found. Otr500 (talk) 17:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- per thorough analysis by User:Otr500. This does not meet WP:NACTOR for lack of significant coverage of the subject's career. The number of hits and such do not count in deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~. I had hoped to be able to expand and WP:PRESERVE this article about an actress whose Hollywood career started when she was ~40 and lasted for almost 30 years. But I can't. Yes, Google Books has hundreds of results, but if we consider that Palange had ~100 film roles in her career, it should not surprise us, and AFAICT none of her roles were starring roles. Her role as Mrs. Camonte in the 1932 film Scarface is in the current version mentioned as the role, for which she was best known; but Mrs. Camonte is merely the mother of Paul Muni's character Antonio "Tony" Camonte, and I do not see Palange getting much more than trivial mentions for her role. So, she fails the SSG WP:NACTOR so far. Could she pass WP:BASIC? She perhaps could given the length of her career, but I can't find sources online that support she does. Delete per WP:DEL8. Sam Sailor 15:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. American sources are likely to be the best bets here, but from British newspapers of the time: Prescot Reporter, and St. Helens General Advertiser (5 May 1939): "Those lovable Gambinis, who made their screen debuts as a family in Speed to Burn, are due for a riotous return enagagement in...Road Demon, 20th Century Fox's motor racing melodrama. There is Papa Gambini, played by the inimitable Henry Armetta, and Mama Gambini, played by Inez Palange and the kids.", Faversham Times and Mercury and North-East Kent Journal (26 August 1939) about Winner Takes All: "Also prominent in the cast is the famous Gambini family, headed again by the inimitable Henry Armetta and including Inez Palange...", Forfar Despatch (3 August 1939): "Road Demon is a motor racing melodrama featuring the Gambini family, with Henry Armetta as Papa and Inez Palange as Mama.", Milngavie and Bearsden Herald (20 September 1941) "Caught in the Act, starring Henry Armetta, Iris Meredith, and Inez Palange." (no other cast members mentioned). --Michig (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 22:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep even if her performance in the classic original and influential Scarface movie isn't enough, and TCM has one of the famous scenes posted on their website, her roles as a singer and comedian in the duo Les Iris Palange is part of Library of Congress' Victor recording collection. This further establishes her historical significance. Her experiences as an immigrant are noted in a book about Italian immigrants to the U.S. Obviously, we are limited as to sources easily availavle online for performers from earlier eras but she had a significant role in a major and influential film and went on to have many other credites parts in other films. She's no Sophia Loren but her roles and signifance are worth noting and expanding as more details become available. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the book and press sources identified earlier, Atlantic306 (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 01:08, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and expand Variety may have her obituary. --RAN (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as satisfying WP:BASIC per the references now at the article. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 18:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as it looks like we are getting somewhere now with sourcing. Sam Sailor 19:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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