Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ibrahim Elsayed Amr

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Given that the last contribution to this discussion was 8 days ago, it doesn't seem likely that more discussion will be forthcoming. The arguments in favor of keeping the article seem to confuse "important" or "deserving" with "notable". Randykitty (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Elsayed Amr[edit]

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Not sure about notability - sounds like he is only famous for one event - and surely there are others who have been imprisoned. Gbawden (talk) 07:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails notability as an individual/event having no enduring historical significance. He was one of 132 people involved so arguably run of the mill given the circumstances. Article appears heavily weighted against the Eqyptian government contrary to Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Google search returns no reliable sources confirming notability, although this may be due to Ibrahim Elsayed Amr being a common Arabic name. References (including one citing Facebook) are all in Arabic but do not look like sites providing a reliable basis for notabiity claims. Philg88 ^♦talk 08:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No sources show individual notability. Wikipedia is not a place to start or aid an activism campaign; you have to first gain notability on the wider Internet/media, then we can cover it - not the other way around. At best, redirect to Egyptian Crisis (2011–present). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The hash-tag #الدكتور_ابراهيم was one of the top ranking hash-tags on twitter in Egypt. The hash-tag was mentioned in more than one news article:
- http://youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=1683983#.U4MnnPmSySr
- https://www.elwatannews.com/news/details/488366

Wikipedia:BLP1E#Subjects_notable_only_for_one_event These secondary sources make Ibrahim notable. He was sentenced to 10 years of prison without proof and relying on biased witnesses. Which makes him a victim wrongly accused of a crime. There's the issue of lack of reliable sources to cover the issue. Wolfstarr (talk) 11:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. One of many to be arrested, but also one of the most notable. Twitter was one of the driving forces of the revolution and the amount of attention he was given in the midst of that gives him notability, I believe. Adamh4 (talk) 14:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter is not a reliable source according to Wikipedia guidelines. Philg88 ^♦talk 16:31, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that Twitter is a reliable source, but think that the fact he had such a large presence on a driving forces of one of the largest revolutions the region has ever seen makes him notable enough to have his own individual page. I believe we can say his popularity on Egyptian twitter makes him a well known figure in Egypt. Adamh4 (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We can "say" whatever we like, but the question is whether we can we back that up with significant independent coverage in reliable sources. In this case, no we can't, so Ibrahim isn't notable for Wikipedia purposes. Philg88 ^♦talk 05:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. Philg88 ^♦talk 09:05, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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