Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iain Martell (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Will userfy upon request since this one was close. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Iain Martell

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On notability grounds. The previous debate resulted in a deleted article which was recreated. The speedy delete was contested on the grounds of significant improvement but I feel notability is still an issue. A second AfD seems to be the fair way to go.

First nomination was part of a multi AfD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Shamrock (fighter)Peter Rehse (talk) 23:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 13:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep page passes WP:GNG, as sources come from websites such as The Sun, ITV, and EveningNews24. His appearances on Take Me Out (UK) and John Bishop's Britain only adds strength to his notability as well as adding his MMA to the mix. All in all this page goes beyond your average 'cage fighters' Wikipedia page due largely to his activities outside of his MMA career. Pound4Pound (talk) 09:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable as an MMA fighter and an appearance on a reality TV show doesn't make him notable. Mdtemp (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He has appeared on more than one TV show Mdtemp, it wasn't a reality show - it is a dating game show. The way I see it there are three factors to keeping this page - the sources (some are from The Sun UK newspaper and the ITV website, as well as being the headline for Norfolk's local paper and being the headline on numerous occasions of MMA website's articles), what he is known for - he is a mixed martial artist for one of the UK biggest MMA promotions as well as appearing on shows like Take Me Out and John Bishop's Britian, and whether he passes any notability criteria on Wikipedia - WP:GNG, as he goes beyond your typical MMA fighters Wikipedia page, which I should point out is significantly better than those made for newly signed UFC fighters! I have talked to the nominator prior to this discussion, and he told me that he does speedy deletions/AfDs based on past articles on the same thing that got deleted, so I don't blame at all for why he created this AfD. However I know that this page is notable. Pound4Pound (talk) 10:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - I'd like to see more coverage of his fights, because the non-mma-related coverage that's being pointed too seems mostly celebrity gossip-type coverage that's actually related to Katie Price, and notability is not inherited. On the other hand, he did beat Mohammed Ali in his last fight, but to be fair, Ali's not exactly in his prime anymore...Oh wait, different guy? Zujua (talk) 22:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Again, I'm going to state that Zujua's point hardly shares any good reason to delete this page. The mocking at the end tells it all, there is no serious case being made here. This AfD has been going on for several weeks now, it has been listed in THREE different categories since this AfD opened "to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached", yet only one other person has voted, but in my opinion, his/her point isn't creditable due to lacking any real case for deletion, i.e. violations to any Wikipedia policies?, whereas I have stated, at worse, a decent case for keeping the page using WP:GNG as the main policy it passes. Because of the lack of activity in this AfD since it first opened, I am urging an admin now close the case with either a keep or, if need be, a 'no consensus' just to call an end to this AfD, but to delete the page based on the, in my opinion, poor cases made would be unjustified. Pound4Pound (talk) 13:49, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete. I don't know much about MMA, so I took at look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability. According to that page, he isn't notable since he hasn't participated in a single fight for a notable MMA organization (according to their list). That leaves WP:GNG. I looked through the non-MMA sources in the article, but didn't find any that amounted to significant coverage about Iain himself except for the eveningnews24 article and the rodonline article. The rodonline article appears to be a self-published blog, and eveningnews24 is a minor local media source. You could probably argue that he technically meets WP:GNG, but it would be by the thinnest of margins. He may turn out to be a significant fighter or TV personality, but I don't think he's quite there yet. Kaldari (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:MMANOT is a guideline, not a policy so to delete on that basis is unjustifiable. The guideline is also poorly kept and updated, especially more now so because of the disappearing number of MMA fans who are also Wikipedians leaving due to the ongoing battle over MMA event pages. As well as UCMMA, the guideline doesn't include other big name notable promotions like the Super Fight League, One Fighting Championship, the International Fight League or Invicta Fighting Championships either, so to go on a deletion based on MMANOT is hardly a step forward in this 'debate'. I am still awaiting an admin to close this debate, but if the result is delete based on the points made from the other users, then I will contest it, simply because I have yet to see a real case been made against a page for Iain Martell. Pound4Pound (talk) 13:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.