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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete until WP:CRYSTAL no longer applies. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:58, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IPhone 11[edit]

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Blatant violation of WP:CRYSTAL—Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. The entire article uses uncertain language and is largely composed of speculative material and unverifiable information. There is no confirmation whatsoever that the next iPhone is called “iPhone 11”, we don’t even know for sure if there’s an iPhone coming this year for that matter. Hayman30 (talk) 12:50, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Draftify The article meets WP:GNG and a quick google search reveals many WP:RS that confirms the rumors. Taewangkorea (talk) 13:24, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • However, After reading through policy (WP:CRYSTAL) it appears that draftifying the article or otherwise allowing for article text to be kept until the product announcement is the best choice. Taewangkorea (talk) 00:34, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • The only COI I have for this article is that I am the creator, but I would take the consensus of the discussion as is. Taewangkorea (talk) 02:20, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete delete per WP:CRYSTAL: "Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged ...if applicable. Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content." ----Pontificalibus 15:03, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify until it's officially announced. Remember that the page on the original iPhone was once deleted. There's some good info here, but it's all just conjecture right now. Squeeps10 Talk to meMy edits 16:20, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Draftify until announced as it's speculative. Apple can change naming conventions as seen at iPod. Blue Riband► 16:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete Wikipedia is not Macrumors.com. Until this alleged product is actually announced with details there is no need for it. Trillfendi (talk) 17:46, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A7 of course. Trillfendi (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:CSD: This criterion applies only to articles about the listed subjects; in particular, it does not apply to articles about products, etc. Nope, A7 doesn't apply, and there's an indication of notability anyway. Squeeps10 Talk to meMy edits 18:27, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A7 would not apply in this case, which can be seen as there is notability for the subject. Taewangkorea (talk) 00:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well then, just Delete. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Especially for articles where unannounced products are described as rumored, twice! Trillfendi (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify I've just added two additional sources (The Independent and What Hi Fi? Magazine - and there are many more available) to show that this soon-to-be-launched product range is currently being talked about by a number of mainstream WP:RS. I started this !vote with a clear 'Keep', providing that the article sticks to reporting forecasted features reported within those reliable sources. However, I re-read WP:CRYSTAL in the expectation I could quote from it to show that it didn't apply. Damn! - it does: "Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content." Very reluctantly, I have to follow that policy, yet urge against full deletion (as it's inevitably going to become notable unless Apple goes bankrupt in the next few weeks), but urge for draftifying for the time being. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Um, no, it’s the other way round—we should’ve waited for the actual announcement before creating an article. The current article is nothing but a collection of unverifiable information, which shouldn’t exist on Wikipedia as an encyclopedic article. Hayman30 (talk) 13:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. See this article from The Independent: "Apple confirms when the new iPhone will come out". The Independent. 2019-08-29. Retrieved 2019-08-30. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Despite what the article says, I don't see where Apple confirmed that it's going to unveil the "iPhone 11" on that event. I only see one embedded tweet with an invitation saying "By innovation only" and that's it. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 19:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/Draftify We don't even know the actual name for sure. And as other users mentioned, WP:NOTRUMOR. And really can't you wait 10 days? —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 19:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Have no problem with draftifying as long as the article is out of the mainspace. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 17:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the AfD took place for 15 days or 1 month. So the iPhone will be unvelled on 10 September. It has no interest to delete the history. We could only remove the unconfirmed information. --Panam2014 (talk) 22:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The entire article is unconfirmed information. Just because the phone will be announced in 10 days (that itself is a speculation) doesn’t mean we should keep this crappy article alive. The article is clearly not up to par with Wikipedia standards in its current form, and we can do nothing to improve it because there is no concrete information available besides rumors. Draftify is the best option as numerous users have suggested, there is no point in keeping the article in mainspace. Hayman30 (talk) 08:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The AfD have no interest because the phone will be unvelled before the closure of the AfD. --Panam2014 (talk) 15:34, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The AfD closes about a week after creation, as far as I know and according to WP:CLOSEAFD, which means tomorrow. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 16:36, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There are no consensus for deletion. So the request would be relisted. For the rest, we don't need official confirmation that a new phone will be unvelled. Apple's POV and false suspense is a primary source. Secondary reliable sources say that new iPhone will be unvelled. --Panam2014 (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you elaborate on that "There are no consensus for deletion. So the request would be relisted." ? You weren't clear. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 17:03, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
please see the others voters opinions, there are no consensus for deletion after one week. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:31, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Most of them suggest draftifying the article as I can see, which I don't have a problem with. So as I can see it's only you who doesn't agree with draftifying. And draftifying can be a decision. (And they/we are not voters; it's a consensus). —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 17:52, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am not against it, I am only against deletion. But for me, there are no interest to rename an article for 9 days. Others people are for deletion but they have not asked for drafting. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:18, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You "rename" it so people can't find it. If they want to see rumors, and more detailed ones than those in the article, they should go to 9to5Mac or Macrumors. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 22:21, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is not rumors. Reliables sources said that a new iPhone will be unvelled. But you could remove the others information who are not confirmed. --Panam2014 (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The reliable sources which you are referring to provide as evidence the invitation which doesn't say anything. And if I remove what are rumors, only 3 sentences will remain. And then it would be better to make a section in the iPhone article. And finally, WE DON'T KNOW if it's going to be called the "iPhone 11". —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 13:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem, you could change the name of the article. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:07, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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