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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 02:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This non notable software is long defunct and forgotten. It was never notable, and claims on the page about it being a first, in 1996, are dubious at best. Other tools already existed. There are no citations on the page, and the citation needed tag has been there for 17 years. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 23:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • DO NOT Delete. This tool is still alive and became commercial, PaperKiller and HyperPublish - it is available at Paperkiller.com and HyperPublish.com (VisualVision.com) - Please cite other tools that where WYSIWYG and that allowed visual linking and visual navigation between pages while in edit mode in 1996, if they exists. They do not exist. Otherwise this page that is very old would have been edited to point to them. This is probably the first really visual tool and this page should remain as noticeable track: if on the Web we do not keep track of the first products for the Web, where they should be noted? 188.216.49.45 (talk) 12:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, for instance, Adobe PageMill was released in 1994. However you mention it went commercial which might suggest that there is a notable subject in the commercial software. Do you have independent reliable secondary sources that demonstrate notability of PaperKiller? If so, it may be that that should have a page and this would either be merged to that or else this could be kept and moved to that title and repurposed. But first, we still have to establish the notability of the subject, so we need the sources. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.