Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hruggek

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities. Any (small amount of) content that would merit to be merged is available from the article history. Randykitty (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hruggek[edit]

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Apparently fails WP:GNG for lack of coverage in independent sources. (All the article's references are to the same publisher's game manuals, and I couldn't locate any significant coverage by third parties.) Psychonaut (talk) 19:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the same issue with all the D&D obscure minor characters, critters and places - no third party reliable source has mentioned them, let alone written about them in depth and the chances of such coverage ever happening are about as likely as George Bushe (either of them) getting re-elected President in the future. In addition, the most likely merge targets suffer the same issues and so merge is not going to address the actual issue. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities. BOZ (talk) 00:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

as noted above, your suggestion for the merge target is also lacking in third party sources that would establish the larger topic as notable. (and your "keep" !vote is based on what policy?) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there are two such sources for that one, Dicing with Dragons and Heroic Worlds. BOZ (talk) 01:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You mean the book by Lawrence Schick the guy who worked for TSR many many years and is still making royalties on his work for them and the one by Ian Livingstone who led the company that was the official distributor of D&D products in England? - those "independent" sources at the suggested merge target? And those two sources support only 2 sentences out of the entire 41,215 byte article , when We require that all articles rely primarily on "third-party" or "independent sources" so that we can write a fair and balanced article that complies with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and to ensure that articles are not advertising a product, service, or organization. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:51, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per BOZ. bd2412 T 02:42, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean, "per"? BOZ didn't offer any rationale, policy-based or otherwise, for his !vote. —Psychonaut (talk) 10:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities; per WP:LISTN, paraphrasing, the individual entries at the list do not have to be independently notable, as long as the general subject grouping is; the two sources pointed out above would discuss the redirect target subject in general. Lawrence Schick only worked for TSR for 3 years, from 1979-1981; since his book was published by an unrelated publisher in 1991, I would consider that to meet the standard for an independent source with respect to the List of Dungeons & Dragons deities. I would also suggest that since anything Schick designed during his tenure at TSR is long since out of print, it is unlikely he is making any royalties on anything he designed during his 3 years at TSR.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 16:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- again, those two sources are hardly "independent" - one is written by one of the major creators of content of D&D and one was written by the sole official distributor of D&D materials in England. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities; small amount of material could be retained as brief description. I agree with @TheRedPenOfDoom: about reliable source support ... but this is endemic among fiction-related articles throughout wikipedia (sigh). Realistically, this is a part of the D&D world, has multiple mentions in in-world materials, and deserves a mention as part of the overall world description - albeit small mention. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities. I think Vulcan's Forge makes a good point about Schick's work being enough to qualify as an independent source here. That said, as Ceyockey said in his !vote, the mention should be small. Inks.LWC (talk) 19:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.