Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Howard Perdew (2nd nomination)

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The result was Withdrawn I noticed the NSAI awards before, but I wasn't sure if they're notable enough; apparently they are. Between that and the lawsuit regarding "Prop Me Up", I'm now barely convinced that he meets notability guidelines. NAC. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Howard Perdew[edit]

Was kept last time depsite a total lack of sources; closing admin noted "keep. a lack of references does not require deletion: it requires references. I'm inclined to err toward inclusion." Well, there are no references besides one Wikipedia page and an article which has a mere mention of one song that he co-wrote for Joe Diffie. Therefore, I feel he fails WP:N and WP:V. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 04:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 04:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete- I did find the following link that mentions he won a prize of some sort: 1. Other ghits mention that he's helped write a lot of fairly prominent songs, which indicates he's contributed a great deal to his area, but the sources only mention him in passing. I'm leaning towards weak delete but I'd be happy to review that if someone comes up with better material. Normally I would take a dim view of someone nominating the same page twice in the space of about a month, but I agree that the admin who closed the original AfD nomination shouldn't have; it should have been relisted to get a better consensus. Reyk _YO! 05:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 11:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 02:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.. I know nothing about Country Music but he was involved in a Copyright lawsuit about one of his songs and it made it to US Court of Appeals (I looked in Google News). Callelinea (talk) 04:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That info is more pertinent to the song than to the writer(s). Being involved in a lawsuit doesn't make you inherently notable. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 04:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He also won 2 awards for his song writing abilities, so I have now changed it to KEEP.Callelinea (talk) 06:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete — The arguments made to delete are slightly more persuasive than that to keep. In particular, TenPound's reply on the 19th at 04:25 leans me to the side of delete. Though, as with Reyk, more sources would be good... Perhaps a redirect to the song where his name popped up in the news might also be a good idea. *shrug*. --Izno (talk) 04:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's written three or four songs for Joe Diffie (including his biggest Number One, Pickup Man), so I don't think it'd be a good idea to redirect to Prop Me Up. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 04:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Having co-written notable songs such as "Pickup Man" and "Prop Me Up Beside the Jukebox (If I Die)" makes him notable according to WP:MUSIC which states under the Criteria for composers and lyricists: Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. Also, winning the awards means he meets criteria #4 there as well. --JD554 (talk) 08:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.