Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hotel Union Square

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The result was No consensus, thus keep, though needs better sourcing to be honest. Black Kite 23:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hotel Union Square

Non-notable hotel. No substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources that I can find. The fact that Dashiel Hammett's bride once spent a night there is completely trivial. Sandstein 17:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per [1] and [2]. Per the March 11, 2007 Toronto Sun this is the first boutique hotel in SF, if you need a claim of notability. Will try to add some of these sources to article. --Rividian (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did perform these searches. They do not provide us with any substantial coverage, as far as I can see, and we would need such coverage to provide notability, not just WP:GHITS. Sandstein 19:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Several results, including the one I mentioned and [3] do seem to be substantial coverage. I didn't say anything about the number of hits... --Rividian (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you provide a link to that Toronto Sun article? The LA Times article is a good start, but I don't know whether 289 words about a renovation are a sufficient basis for a neutral encyclopedia article. Sandstein 20:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I got it off Lexus Nexus. The coverage is actually not that great, 3 paragraphs, but it does establish the notability claim. I understand sceptisim about the sourcing... I wish I had time to actually reference them in the article. But with various articles over the years, even if just 289 words, it seems notable enough for me. --Rividian (talk) 20:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, needs references but clearly a notable and historic hotel, whatever its current status. Suggest broader search next time. --Dhartung | Talk 19:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Change vote to weak delete, possibly fixable but unsure at this time. A good chunk of hits for "Golden West Hotel" are for ones in LA and San Diego, and for one in San Francisco which apparently was a casualty of the 1906 quake and fire. And searching on "union square hotel", even with "san francisco", finds sources which are primarily about one in New York. "hotel union square" is complicated by other hotels which put those three words at the end of their names, like the Crowne Plaza Hotel Union Square. It does seem to be one to which Hammett was partial, and per a source I added Lillian Hellman was another guest, so it's a favorite itinerary stop for their fans. But I can't find even confirmation of when it was built other than the Personality Hotels website. Sorry, Sandstein. --Dhartung | Talk 19:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete per Dhartung, unless more sources are found. Nsk92 (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a well-known San Francisco hotel. I'm somewhat surprised to see it here (for subject matter -- the article, admittedly, needs work). Ecoleetage (talk) 23:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, could you provide references to sources covering it? Sandstein 05:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the material available is sufficient for notability. DGG (talk) 05:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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