Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hotel Imperial (Croatia)

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The result was keep. ✗plicit 10:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hotel Imperial (Croatia)

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Not notable hotel. Its only reference is a reservation website. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the claims the article makes appear to be true, it's merely a weak stub. A search for it on the Croatian scientific journals website doesn't show much, but a google full text search at https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahrcak.srce.hr+hotel+imperial+opatija brings up a fair bit of coverage - looks like this place was originally called "Stephanie" or later "Imperijal", and it seems fairly notable. There seems to be WP:POTENTIAL here to describe how the place was one of the origins of tourism on what was then the Austrian Littoral, as that seems to be the main point of the coverage. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:55, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And, umm, [1] is pretty bad form, IMHO. There were plenty of clues there in those statements about some research one could do WP:BEFORE. If this was just blatant tourist trap promotion, no problem, but like this, it just seems careless. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Joy: Excuse me. If the reference/IC doesn't corroborate it, it gets removed. There is way too much shit like this around WP and I have been saying it constantly since I found this[2]. Read the latter parts of this talk page discussion[3] too. People make it up as they go too often around here, the disgraceful[4] Naomi Ishisaka business, being the worst such example. Save your outrage for the contributors who screw up WP not the editors who clean up these messes....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that escalated quickly. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A historic and pioneering hotel. It started under the name Hotel Kronprinzessin Stephanie and seems to have had several name changes since so a thorough source search would have to address this and the issue of different languages. WP:ATD and WP:NEXIST therefore apply, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 12:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Historic hotel which is listed as a cultural monument by the Croatian government, so clearly passes WP:GEOFEAT. But move to Hotel Imperial, Opatija. We use the town as the primary disambiguator for buildings, not the country. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A Google search for "Hotel Imperial (Croatia) history" has returned at least three articles which could be used as sources. Given more time this article could be significantly improved. NemesisAT (talk) 19:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It has potential and I've started expansion.--Maleschreiber (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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