Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hosaphone

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Keep (non-admin closure). Rename to Tube trumpet. SilkTork *^YES! 08:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)"[reply]

Hosaphone[edit]

A joke instrument, as defined by the article itself, with a trivia link to cartoon of a similar joke (but not the same instrument as in this article). A Google search has so far only turned up spam links by the creator of the instrument. Not a hoax as such, as the Hosaphone website exists with pictures of the instrument - but simply not yet notable enough for a stand alone article. I did ponder if there was a place to redirect the article, but couldn't think of anywhere obvious. The instrument is supposedly a joke response to the natural trumpet, but I can't see this joke instrument finding a comfortable slot in that article. SilkTork *^YES! 18:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It may be a joke but it is notable. The Bonzo Dog Band used it in at least one of their hits and I'm updating the article accordiangly. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's part of the problem. The Hosaphone was invented "In Rochester, Minnesota on July 4, 1976. Petitions to the mayor's office to declare that date Hosaphone(tm) Day have been met with less than a fanfare." While I'm the Urban Spaceman was recorded in 1968. The Hosaphone and this article is a joke. It's not a hoax, but it's a joke. SilkTork *^YES! 20:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously the claimants in Rochester did not invent this instrument first. Apart from the Bonzos, I am finding references to this as a routine teaching aid in science and music. The matter is notable and the only issue is whether we have this material already under another name. Deletion is not appropriate. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, and that of Grutness below. SilkTork *^YES! 12:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think its mention in the comic strip For Better or For Worse does lend it some notability (See hosaphonium). The cartoonist did change the name slightly, but I wouldn't say it is a completely different instrument (See email list discussion). The instrument is also mentioned by International Trumpet Guild (See Hosaphone Celebrates 10 years).--Dbolton (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Be aware that the contributor to your email discussion is Ellis Workman, the creator of Hosaphone. And the writer of the entry on the Trumpet Guild is David A. Roth, from Hosaphone Headquarters, the other founder. See my comment on the nomination that a Google search turns up spam links. The only links I found were spam created by the Hosaphone founders - and that includes this Wikipedia article. There may be more meaningful stuff out there, but I gave up looking after a while. At this stage I suspect anything meaningful would be as a result of the spam campaign being successful enough to convince people that - well, that the Bonzo Dog Band played a Hosaphone nearly 10 years before it was invented! ;-) SilkTork *^YES! 20:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per nom + his points above. I agree this is clearly a joke and not notable in an encyclopedic context. Rename per the nominator's position below. Eusebeus (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good. As there are no longer any deletes I can, as nominator, now Speedy Keep this and rename it to Tube trumpet.SilkTork *^YES! 08:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but rename to hosepipe (musical instrument) or similar. There are enough tracks that have used this sort of instrument to lend it some notability, but the name "Hosaphone" is far from the only name for it. Other than the Bonzos an "elephunk trumpet" (i.e., a "hosaphone") was used to good effect by New Zealand band Low Profile on their 1980s single "Elephunk In My Soup". To quote that band, "I've got my wash-hose, and I can do elephunk!" Grutness...wha? 00:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. This and Colonel Warden's comments above do convince me that an attempt could be made to create an article along those lines. I'm not entirely sure such an article would in itself be notable - it sounds like it might be bordering on original research - but it would be worth trying. SilkTork *^YES! 12:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Tube trumpet or Homemade trumpet. I have taken on board the comments and findings by Grutness and Colonel Warden, and I have rewritten the article to reflect their views. SilkTork *^YES! 13:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 17:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.