Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horrors of War (film)

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Horrors of War (film)[edit]

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I'm fixing the attempted nomination by User:Metalface1981, who wrote: "not notable, self generated content, wikimedia interview is not credible source". Another article about the same film was deleted in 2007 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horrors of War. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Failed WP:NFILM then and still does now. The only sources (since removed) were IMDb, a non-notable movie site, and a self-published Wikinews promotional interview. A whopping three reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, one of which is long deceased (FEARnet). sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 06:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete we need sourcing beyond what every film ever made has, and that is not shown here. IMDB is not reliable, and Rotten Tomatoes is not limiting in any way. Neither suggest notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:53, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the article to the way it was before people came to delete it. The article is just fine the way it is. It shouldn't be deleted at all. It does need more information, but is a good start for the information about that motion picture. Article should not be deleted. (talk) 15:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ZombieHorrorMovie13 appears to be the filmmaker, himself, adding more sources that are not credible and he has removed the request for deletion without consensus from the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ZombieHorrorMovie13 also had his own Wikipedia page removed, Peter John Ross, and has a long history of using Wikipedia for self promotion and being deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User ZombieHorrorMovie13 continues to remove the entry from Afd without community concensus. Appears to be the filmmaker himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not the filmmaker of "Horrors of War". You are greatly mistaken. I am trying to add relevant information to the article about this important and notable Nazi Zombie movie. It is important to the sub genre of zombie movies. Just because you think this "Bad" Trash film isn't all that good, doesn't make it unimportant. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk —Preceding undated comment added 00:45, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a notable zombie movie. It has no media. All the references you included were IMDb echo sites that simply repost self-published information from IMDb. If this movie was important, there would be more than just self-generated content to support it. I have never seen the film and have no opinion other than it is not notable and should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you to say it is not notable? It is so, and is a very important film in the Nazi Zombie genre. It has many online reviews from credible film review sources. It has media coverage. I was not reposting self published information. I was posting information from film review sites that had a creditable editing process for the reviews. It is not "self-generated content", as you say. Just because you haven't seen the film, doesn't make it not notable or important. The article about the film should not be deleted. I'm am going to fight you on this. It is an important and notable Nazi Zombie film. It is important in pop culture, film, horror, and science fiction. I intend to continue working to improve the quality of the article. Even if it means working to counter the efforts of negative people trying to delete information from the article. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk —Preceding undated comment added 01:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you to speak on behalf of the entire Wikipedia community? The film was added to Afd and it is not to be removed but you decided to remove it anyway, against the rules. You are free to fight me on this. What makes the film not notable is that by the definition provided by Wikipedia for what is considered to be notable, this film is not notable. I have just done a Google search of the film, also, and have not found one single credible source which suggests this film is "important." People need to look into this guy's arguments with Wikipedia editors. This looks exactly the same as every other time this man's articles are taken down because he's not notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 01:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a "notable and important" film by any means, and you're only fooling yourself if you believe otherwise. It is low-budget B-movie schlock. Otherwise it would have far more coverage than IMDb (which anyone can edit), a non-notable movie site, and next to no content on Rotten Tomatoes. Obviously you had some involvement in this production as demonstrated by your disruptive behavior of repeatedly removing the AfD tag despite repeated warnings in addition to citing a self-published interview as a source. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 01:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is a notable and important film in the genre of Nazi Zombie movies. Again, I am a researcher, and not the filmmaker who made the "Horrors of War" film. I was not trying to break any rules by removing anything. I was trying to undo the edits that were made which did remove relevant information. If you are not satisfied with the film review sources from the sites, I will dig out printed film review books from my personal library that have ISBN numbers. I was working on improving the article, and then you came along and started to delete everything before I have had the chance to improve things more. Please stop deleting stuff from it, and give me a chance to improve it. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk

You have been repeatedly warned to not remove the article from Afd but you did anyway. The article was not requested for deletion because it needed improvement. The request was made because it's not notable. My mother kept a scrapbook of every time I took a dump. She did this because she was connected to me and loved me, not because my bowel movements were notable or worth inclusion in an online encylopedia, as impressive as they were. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User "Metalface1981" said, "My mother kept a scrapbook of every time I took a dump. She did this because she was connected to me and loved me, not because my bowel movements were notable or worth inclusion in an online encylopedia, as impressive as they were.", this is evidence that they are just being an Internet Troll. Not someone trying to improve articles. Someone that is just trolling, and posting vulgar non-sequitur information. I was just trying to improve the article with relevant information. I have been researching the subject of Nazi Zombie films. The movie "Horrors of War" is an important film in this genre. I was not trying to remove the "Afd", I was trying to fight against your vandalism of the article. I will be working on improving the overall quality of the article. I will be adding the ISBN book information from books in my personal library in the next few days. Please get a life, and stop being an internet troll vandal. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk —Preceding undated comment added 01:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nominating an article for deletion is not vandalism. If, in fact, this film was as notable as you say, why not feel confident that Wikipedians will support your claims? If one Googles "Peter John Ross Horrors or War" they find a series of self-published books, with ISBN numbers. Please refrain from insulting me as this is not personal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Additional research shows that this article was created by user bigdaddyross and the filmmaker's name is Peter John Ross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalface1981 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Metropolitan90‬ reached out to me about this deletion. Not sure if I'm adding this correctly or not. I have not entered or changed anything in several years. I am Peter John Ross (Sonnyboo), the writer/director/producer of HORRORS OF WAR. I believe these entries were made by a 3rd party with the intent of getting the entry removed, posing as someone trying to vehemently keep it.

Most other links and reviews are long gone. The movie was made in 2006. And would like to correct the record, I do not have a long history of self promotion on Wikipedia. I haven't logged in or used this account in several years. As I said, if the entry gets deleted, it gets deleted. That is up to you guys, not me. I believe the person arguing with you is trying to cause problems.

If it is your determination the film should be removed, I will not debate that. It is your decision as the editors.

I would however like any and all information about the IP address of the person who has made unauthorized changes to the entry in Dec 2019. Please contact me at the email associated with this user account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonnyboo (talk • contribs) 05:52, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not connected with the production of the movie "Horrors of War". I was researching zombie horror movies. The film "Horrors of War" is a notable Nazi Zombie film. I came across the article, and tried to make it better, to improve the overall quality. I intend to do more work along those lines. The only problems I am trying to do is to improve the article. To fight against ignorant vandalism, and the deletion of the article about this film. It is an important film in the Nazi Zombie genre of zombie horror films. It is important for pop culture, horror, and science fiction. The article should not be deleted. You sad ignorant closed minded fascists simply trying to delete everything. You don't want to be inclusive, and add knowledge to articles? Why don't you try to make it better than just delete it? ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk

Mr. Ross has not logged in since his own article was deleted in 2013, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter John Ross, after he tried very hard to convince Wikipedia the film was notable. It's weird that once ZombieHorrorMovie13 started losing ground in the debate that Mr. Ross now appears claiming the person defending him is pulling some ruse. His story sounds more like the plot to a bad movie that's not notable. I would be cautious about sharing IP information with this man. He could be looking to locate this person in real life and retaliate, if it's not just his own sockpuppet and we're all just victims of a master manipulator. What else would he do with the IP address? Metalface1981 (talk) 12:05, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This page provides some insight into Mr. Ross and his prior activities on Wikipedia, User talk:Bigdaddyross, and shows that everything he has ever posted has been about himself, not notable, and used for self-promotion. Metalface1981 (talk) 12:58, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After all these years, I do not believe the film qualifies as "notable" and I am the creator. Delete the entry for Horrors of War. I have not logged into any accounts on Wikipedia in years until last night and only because Metropolitan90‬ notified me. I had no idea this was happening and now, based on the ridiculous and frankly very rude commentary by editors, I would have preferred this conversation taken place without my knowledge. I would not have even noticed the article was deleted. The internet is a crazy place and you have just cause for such skepticism.

I do not know who talk is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonnyboo (talk • contribs) 17:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Ross, I'm not going to feel bad or be browbeaten because I said your film is not notable, or for pointing out that ZombieHorrorMovie13's commentary today looks very similar to your commentary from your own article for deletion, or for somehow how not meeting your so very strict sense of decorum that gives you the position in life to look down upon me and suggest I'm rude for having an opinion, I'm going to agree with your opinion of Horrors of War and point out that we all agreee that the film is not notable. Metalface1981 (talk) 21:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The film "Horrors of War" is a notable Nazi Zombie film. I was researching those films, and came across the article about Horrors of War. You are all so full of it. I am not losing ground in an argument. I have a life in the real world other than editing Wikipedia. I am a constructive person that is trying to make the Horrors of War film article better. I am not a bad person trying to censor and delete whole articles. If you were a good person, you would have tried to make the article better instead of nominating it for deletion. That is the truth here. Hopefully I can get my books about horror movies out of my library and add the Horrors of War reviews with ISBN numbers before the article is railroaded for deletion. It is sad when there are fascists that only care about their stupid rules and censoring everything. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk —Preceding undated comment added 23:34, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't Nazi Zombies the alternate title to Horrors of War, in other countries? To respond to your criticism, I may have a far more interesting life than you're aware of, outside of this site, and that someone edits wikipedia, doesn't suggest they haven't had a few successes of their own, whether notable or not. Metalface1981 (talk) 23:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You’ve both made your positions on this issue crystal clear, but now it seems to be devolving into personal insults and it’s derailing the discussion. If you want to carry on, that’s totally fine, but take it to your respective talk pages. Thanks. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 05:16, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware that I've insulted anyone other than giving my opinions that the film is not notable, that I think that Ross is using a sockpuppet account, and that he has a history of using Wikipedia for self-promotion. After reading the rules of editing, it also appears that ZombieHorrorMovie13 has broken many rules that apply to disruptive Wikipedia posters. I may be "kind of" new here, but I've been on this site long enough to know the difference between constructive criticism and some of the very legendary flame wars I've seen on this site. Metalface1981 (talk) 08:53, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, I am not someone connected to the "Horrors of War" film. I am a separate person researching "Nazi Zombie" movies. I came across the "Horrors of War" article, and was trying to improve the overall quality. I was not like the others trying to vandalize and delete the whole article about that film. It is sad that there are too many other people that just want to tear down the world, instead of trying to make things better. You could have tried to make the article better, instead of trying to railroad it for deletion. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk

I was the better person, by trying to improve the overall quality of the article. I added more sourcing with ISBN numbers. I will still try to be the better person and work on the article more. I am not a bad person that is trying to delete everything. You are the bad people here, trying to delete the whole article. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk —Preceding undated comment added 21:49, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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