Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hongmeng OS

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The overwhelming consensus here is a clear keep (non-admin closure) Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 17:49, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hongmeng OS[edit]

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Premature WP:CRYSTAL, which clearly states that "Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable." Per this, we must wait until actual details are released and unveiled. ViperSnake151 Talk 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The existence of this operating system has been confirmed by Huawei. Huawei has confirmed that it intends to replace Android and Microsoft Windows with Hongmeng OS in all of its products after Trump administration banned Huawei from using Android and Microsoft Windows in its products. 207.233.45.12 (talk) 16:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Relevance to an ongoing political climate does not discount existing Wikipedia policies regarding speculation of future products. ViperSnake151 Talk 17:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:39, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:39, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:HongMeng OS would have never existed if the trade war also never existed. So, no, this is not a crystal ball, and yes, this has to do with the trade war. Pancho507 (talk) 16:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: That is not how WP:CRYSTAL works. It is covered enough on the Huawei article. All we know is that "it exists and had been developed since 2012". And the claim it is "Android-compatible" is questionable without a citation. I am not acting on opinions or government stances. I am acting under long-standing Wikipedia policy involving product rumours. If there is actual information, like details on what it actually does, frameworks, etc. Then we can have an article. At the moment this is way too premature. All your comments also seem politically-motivated. ViperSnake151 Talk 22:29, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Read the CGTN article. It clearly says android app compatible. And Hongmeng's release is inminent. See this [1] What it does? It replaces Android. Frameworks are still unknown. But it has to be like android for the app developers otherwise it will be a flop like tizen. And Huawei is state owned, the chinese communist party's nationalistic pride can't afford to lose market share. Pancho507 (talk) 23:05, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CGTN is state propaganda. Plus the article there says that the June 2019 release data was confirmed to be false and that an actual date is not yet decided. You're just making assumptions based on nationalistic pride rather than actual reliable secondary sources. ViperSnake151 Talk 01:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced the CGTN citation. Now what? Pancho507 (talk) 02:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm opposing the deletion of the article the actual Hongmeng OS is confirmed by Huawei and trademarked thus should not be removed as it would just get re-created in the future when more details are available. That being said they have also registered an "Ark OS" and the term "Ark" is registered with Huawei from now on according to the latest media reports. ImpWarfare (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No, no, just no. This actually exists, unlike 6G. And i don't think the trade war is gonna end soon, so chances are this OS will be released. Pancho507 (talk) 16:28, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a piece of current news and interesting tech-history as the question of copyrighting app/api level compatibility at the center of Oracle vs Google is now going to used by a third-party OS to run Android apps. There is going to be lots of opinions flying around and wikipedia has a role to play in bring neutrality to the discussion Back ache (talk) 07:59, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "This is a piece of current news and interesting tech-history" Hearhear! Why delete an article when it is most relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.52.163.43 (talk) 08:32, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep CRYSTAL BALL? No, 2040 United States presidential election is crystal ball but 2020's election is not. Hongmeng OS is even earlier and has enough information now. --“ ROYAL PATROL ”^{☎ 911} 08:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: WP:CRYSTAL is a Wikipedia policy. And it explicitly states that "short articles that consist only of product announcement information are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable." Plus, I also noticed some unusual differences in this AFD process than usual: usually I thought we voted "delete"/"keep" rather than "oppose" here. It feels like something is wrong here. ViperSnake151 Talk 15:17, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and keep are the same thing. HongMeng OS will be released soon, so it makes no sense to delete this article. And information will be available around 2020 when it's released, and as Vikarna said, it's not a crystal ball if it will happen next year. And if it doesn't happen, it will become part of history anyway, as evidence of how far a state owned corporation is willing to go to in order to stay in the market, and how its attempt horrendously failed outside its home country (Android without Netfix or Whatsapp though official means, anyone?) Pancho507 (talk) 04:26, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article passes WP:GNG. I don't think WP:CRYSTALBALL applies since it's actually been talked about a lot recently, which is mentioned in number 1 of WP:CRYSTALBALL. INeedSupport ^:3 03:27, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 01:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Even if currently vapourware it is notable vapour even if it never actually releases. I'd probably nore that [2] seems possible like a more considered source that I'd care to be using. Of does [this] mean it should be called Ark OS. Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. --WP:CRYSTAL" Yeah there are lots of speculations and most of them are about the name of the OS. But there are significant coverage about speculations on this topic. However, a better title like Huawei's new operating system can be considered. 94rain ^Talk 08:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is not an event. It is a product. And those have specific rules defined in there. ViperSnake151 Talk 15:32, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.