Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy See (Vatican City)

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The result was Redirect to Holy See Supdiop (T🔹C) 11:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Holy See (Vatican City)[edit]

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This is an odd and unuseful disambiguation page. The Holy See and Vatican City are two different topics and they shouldn't be confused with one another. The Holy See is NOT the Vatican City (and vice versa). Any confusion has already been mitigated by having {{confused}} hatnotes at the top of both pages. The way it's titled now also makes it an WP:INCOMPDAB, which is not a desirable situation. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:18, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This shouldn't be titled as this, per WP:INCOMPDAB. If kept, I would suggest a move to Holy See (disambiguation). My initial thoughts were that this could be saved as I found a third entry, however, Tavix is quite right that Vatican City is not called the Holy See. Any confusion anyone has between the two would be easily cleared up by reading the relevant articles, which have links to each other and now a hatnote. I would suggest a double hatnote to the two other entries. Boleyn (talk) 10:35, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think that can be mitigated by adding a {{for}} template to Holy See under the current one. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Holy See with {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Peter James (talk) 12:00, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That wouldn't make any sense for the reasons I said above. I's an implausible search term anyway so we don't have to worry about people using "Holy See (Vatican City)" to find what they're looking for (But which one would they be looking for? You can't know that. See WP:XY.) -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would make sense, as it's probably the title that would be used if Holy See had to be disambiguated from other topics called "Holy See" - i.e. it's the Vatican City one not the Cilicia one - in the same way Bishop of Edmonton (London) is to distinguish from Bishop of Edmonton (Alberta); it doesn't mean the Bishop of Edmonton is also London, or the Bishop of London. WP:XY would be for titles such as Holy See/Vatican City, which would suggest a combined article (or a subpage). Peter James (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If we want a location disambiguator, it'd be most proper to use Holy See (Rome), since it's the Diocese of Rome. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:24, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, but "Vatican City" is equally valid: "has Vatican City as its sovereign territory". Peter James (talk) 23:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go along with that, especially since it's been mentioned that there are other Holy Sees. Redirect it then. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:51, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per Tavix's reasoning above. Nwlaw63 (talk) 13:50, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems to be the perfect example of a useless disambiguation page. And the main article already has a distinguish form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HalloweenNight (talk • contribs) 15:49, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - useless disambiguation as explained above.--Staberinde (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Holy See。You can't expect everyone to know that there is only one Holy See, why punish people who put the disambiguator just in case, or simply copy/paste it from the CIA World Factbook or somewhere? Siuenti (talk) 14:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Holy See. Indeed, you can't expect everyone to know that there is only one Holy See, since, next to the Holy See of Rome, there is the Holy See of Antioch, the Holy See of Cilicia, and a whole bunch of Holy Sees of the East. Also, the term "Holy See (Vatican City)" or "Holy See (Vatican)" is commonly found as a disambiguation outside of Wikipedia ([1],[2],[3],[4]). --Lambiam 00:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, redirects are cheap, is doesn't hurt anything to redirect it just in case. Kharkiv07 (T) 14:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.