Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holistic management

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. LFaraone 02:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Holistic management

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This is nothing more than an advertisement masquerading as an article - part of a WP:Walled garden of spam - Allan Savory and Holistic Management International. ukexpat (talk) 19:38, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Management-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

• Delete it, and the other articles as well, as clear adverts. Ducknish (talk) 22:43, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
• Redirect to Allan Savory#Holistic management, merge sourced info (of which there seems to be very little), trash the unsavory promotional bits. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 01:59, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

• It would be ridiculous to just delete this page. Over 40 million acres of land are under holistic management. There are centers around the world. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, it does exist. The move to delete this page is nothing more than a lame attempt to censure. Now what you could do is merge it with the WIKI managed intensive rotational grazing (MIRG) page, since this management system is one type of "management". There are plenty of scientific studies to back it up as well such as:

"5. Conclusion HMPG is one of a number of newer grazing management systems that more closely simulate natural herbivore behavior and have been shown to improve riparian habitats and water quality over systems that often led to land degradation (Burton and Kozel, 1996; Clary and Webster, 1989; Elmore and Kauffman, 1994)."

Impact of livestock management on water quality and streambank structure in a semi-arid, African ecosystem A.M. Straucha, A.R. Kapust, C.C. Jost, Journal of Arid Environments 73 (2009) 795–803

Notice the source says "one of a number of newer grazing management system"? So this study on holistic management came to a similar conclusion that Holistic management (HMPG) is in a category of newer alternate management systems and the wiki page on MIRG is a good place to list them all in my opinion. This would remove the appearance of using WIKI for free advertising. 68.12.189.106 (talk) 07:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

• Delete — Per nom. I didn't find much in the way of in-depth coverage by unrelated parties. JFHJr (㊟) 23:29, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I put several references in the text. The most influential being The United States Department of Agriculture Natural Resources Conservation Service [1]68.12.189.106 (talk) 10:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
• Savory the concept of "Holistic management" is clear influential, there are TED talks, a Banksia International Award, a Buckminster Fuller Challenge award, there are regular well attend conferences, the 2013 Western Canadian Holistic Management Conference had 200 participants.[2] There is a training program for educators which seems to operate world wide [3] cand has trained over 10,000 people[4], the NRCS have a holistic management programsLands of texas magazine. So it becomes clear that the holistic management movement has grown far beyond just Savory's work. Hence its clear that a redirect just to Allan Savory would not seriously misrepresent the movement, almost akin to redirecting wikipedia to Jimmy Wales. Is Holistic management a walled garden? It is a system backed by an institution but a very big movement with governmental links. WP:Walled garden suggest merging or adding links, I think its the latter we should do. Does the article need a cleanup? Yes, it does not clearly discuss the four cornerstones of the program[5] but it does have a criticism section. Is there a case for merging with Holistic Management International. My initial though was yes, but it seems Holistic Management International and the Savory Institute both use the term and seem to be independent with Savory associated with the latter. So things will be clearer if they are kept separate. In conclusion keep influential term with no non-problematic merge target. --Salix (talk): 19:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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