Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoàng Danh Ngọc

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The result was nomination withdrawn. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:45, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hoàng Danh Ngọc[edit]

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Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. He has only played in the non-fully pro V-League. The last afd failed to reach a consensus largely due to a lack of participation. Objections to the last afd asserted that he met WP:GNG, however one source that goes beyond the usual trivia does not constitute significant coverage. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 02:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fenixdown has shown very well that this player is indeed notable. I will vote Keep here, however, I would would recommed someone try to implement all this information into the article because this article does not look like one which passes WP:GNG at all. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Vietnam-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 08:15, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Fails WP:NFOOTY, but appears to pass GNG. I am not a vietnamese speaker, but there does seem to be a reasonable amount of articles out there which focus on him:

Interview with the player
Article seemingly specifically about the player's performance / call up to U-22 team
Another, albeit brief article, which, since it has his name in the headline seems to focus on him
A third, albeit brief article, which, since it has his name in the headline seems to focus on him
A brief article seemingly about the fact that he has an attractive girlfriend and has got in trouble
Article focussing on the player and his use of the internet(?)
Another article with his name in the headline
Article with player's name in the headline, apparently about him swearing at the crowd(?)
A further article specifically about another disciplinary lapse by the player

There are also a number of other articles specifically headlining this player here and here, although not all are about him.

All of these links come from one Vietnamese news site. I think it is reasonably safe to say that in Vietnam, he appears to be an up and coming footballer, who is also a bit of a character, getting in trouble with the FA on a number of occassions and attracting a fair bit of media coverage. Seems like a pretty safe GNG pass to me. The article needs expanding and addressing by a Vietnamese speaker, not deleting. Fenix down (talk) 08:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - one website (tinthethao.com.vn) covering a player's on-field antics on a few occasions does not constitute "significant" coverage. Giant Snowman 09:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - significant coverage has now been demonstrated. Giant Snowman 11:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the above is simply an example that the player has received significant coverage, it was not, as I expected people to realise, to suggest that he has only received coverage from this website. Here are more links to articles specifically about the player from a completely different websites:

Article on the players wedding
Another article about the player
Article on the prospects of the player receiving a very lengthy ban for disciplinary issues
Article outlining 18 month ban for player, major fine and discussion around whether he will retire
Lengthy article on the players career to date
Article on the player and his wife
Another article about his wedding
Brief interview with the player
Article seems to be discussing a trial, not sure whether this is linked to his disciplinary issues or whether it is criminal

These are not and neither are the first lot I put up, as far as I can make out routine match reports, the headlines of the articles clearly indicate that they are specifically discussing the player. There is coverage of his football performance, his personal life, his disciplinary issues and interviews with the player as well on a number of sites. There are seven websites listed here and these links all come from the first two pages of a google search for the player's name (and photos on most articles seem to confirm to me we are not dealing with different people). This seems to me to be quite a lot of evidence for GNG from just the first two pages, I think it is reasonably safe to assume that there is more if someone with knowledge of the language was able to go through more links. Like I said before, this article needs attention from a native speaker, not deleting. Fenix down (talk) 11:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Fenix down. There's enough coverage both sporting and personal to pass GNG. I'm not a Vietnamese speaker either, but Google translate makes it clear that many of the articles listed above are devoted to the subject, and several are quite lengthy and certainly non-trivial. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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