Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hilaire Spanoghe

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The result was redirect to Football at the 1900 Summer Olympics#Medalists. ✗plicit 01:21, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hilaire Spanoghe

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:SPORTCRIT #5, WP:NOLYMPICS, and violates the general criteria of WP:NOTDATABASE. All we know about him is his name, his nationality, his date and place of birth, and that he competed in the 1900 Olympics. BilledMammal (talk) 00:11, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Belgium. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a medalist and fr.wiki indicates more sourcing. Worst case, Redirect to Football at the 1900 Summer Olympics#Medalists per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R#KEEP and WP:CHEAP. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:28, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The "more sourcing" you claim is mainly non-reliable source family trees that add nothing of substance about this individual. Just because there are places where a person's name gets dropped does not in any way mean the person is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Per the present (ludicrously over-complicated) sports notability guide
"Q2: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean they do not have to meet the general notability guideline?
A2: No, the article must still eventually provide sources indicating that the subject meets the general notability guideline. Although the criteria for a given sport should be chosen to be a very reliable predictor of the availability of appropriate secondary coverage from reliable sources, there can be exceptions. For contemporary persons, given a reasonable amount of time to locate appropriate sources, the general notability guideline should be met in order for an article to meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. (For subjects in the past where it is more difficult to locate sources, it may be necessary to evaluate the subject's likely notability based on other persons of the same time period with similar characteristics.)"
It simply isn't likely at all that sources will ever be found to support a GNG pass for a Belgian university football player born in 1879 about whom literally nothing is known. At the very least my WP:BEFORE failed to uncover anything. I frankly don't blame Lugnuts for not being aware that the NSport standard has yet again changed so that GNG must eventually be met, however I disagree that FR wiki has any useful additional sources - the only thing it has additional is an non-RS family tree of the Spanoghe family and database entries. FOARP (talk) 08:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you (understandably) missed a change as well; NOYLMPICS was recently changed to exclude events where all participants won a medal, which includes Football at the 1900 Summer Olympics BilledMammal (talk) 09:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks BilledMammal, yes I had missed that. FOARP (talk) 10:15, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Actually things are more complicated that the above suggests. Pre-1904 there were no medals at the Olympics, period. So the claim of a medal is an anachronism. We should not be creating false anachronisms like this in our articles. So if we kept this we would have to reword the whole thing, but that would amount to a very wordy article with no substance which is not worth having.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:27, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Football at the 1900 Summer Olympics#Medalists unless significant sources on the subject can be found. Alvaldi (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Lugnuts. Giant Snowman 20:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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