Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herkenrode Tripel
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The result was no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 11:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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It's a sad thing to do, but I have to ask for deletion: this is a non-notable beer. The only thing I found that noted it was this, which--ironically or stereotypically--is a publication by the Flanders Catholic church. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Eager to prove my friend Drmies wrong for once, I commenced a search for reliable sources providing significant coverage to this beer. Alas, all I could find were blog posts, user-submitted reviews, and online sales outlets. None are of any value whatsoever in establishing notability. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I do'nt aggree with deletion. The International Institute for Quality Selections "Monde Selection" see rewarded the award winning producers from all over the world for the quality of their products on May 24 2011. One of the products that became a golden award was the Herkenrode Tripel.see User:Willy Leenders13:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You know what, that's about as much as one can expect for a beer, I think. Willy, please add that to the article if you haven't already. Strange, BTW, that De Standaard doesn't show up in a Google News search... Nomination withdrawn. Cullen, what do you say? Drmies (talk) 04:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You are the nominator, Drmies, so I won't argue if you have decided to withdraw the nomination. However, a visit to the website of the The International Institute for Quality Selections "Monde Selection" raises concerns in my mind. The website seems like it is pitching food and beverage manufacturers on how nice it would be if they participated in this award process. It looks to me like a "pay to play" award and thus not truly independent. I downloaded the PDF for beer entrants and they charge 1100 Euros just to enter the competition. This sentence in our article Monde Selection raises additional concerns: "About half of the products come from Japan. 80% of the products presented by Japanese companies are awarded prizes." So, my question is, should we consider a Monde Selection award, by consensus, an inherent claim of notability like an Academy Award, a Nobel Prize, or (I would argue) a Michelin star? And if not, should a single newspaper article reporting on that prize and quoting the company's representatives about how wonderful it all is be considered as conclusive evidence of notability? I am reading a Google Translate version of the coverage in De Standaard, so what I say next could well be wrong. But it reads to me as a reprint or a superficial rewrite of a press release from the brewery, rather than truly independent editorial material rising to the level of significant coverage. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:42, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Searching for coverage in reliable sources that would verify the independent credibility of the Monde Selection and the International Wine Contest which they run, I find nothing. I do find massive volumes of industry backslapping by those who have won the awards, but have so far been unable to find anything by a notable food and wine writer or critic discussing these as credible independent awards. It seems to be a successful business venture, though. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You clearly read deeper into the joint than I did; kudos. Still, I guess even an industry award is better than nothing. The report did probably use the press release heavily, I don't doubt that. I guess I'm remaining neutral, then--what a flip-flopper I am--with the final note that the beer seems to have garnered one somewhat dubious award and that no other coverage can be found. I should consult you before I nominate anything else! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Searching for coverage in reliable sources that would verify the independent credibility of the Monde Selection and the International Wine Contest which they run, I find nothing. I do find massive volumes of industry backslapping by those who have won the awards, but have so far been unable to find anything by a notable food and wine writer or critic discussing these as credible independent awards. It seems to be a successful business venture, though. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You are the nominator, Drmies, so I won't argue if you have decided to withdraw the nomination. However, a visit to the website of the The International Institute for Quality Selections "Monde Selection" raises concerns in my mind. The website seems like it is pitching food and beverage manufacturers on how nice it would be if they participated in this award process. It looks to me like a "pay to play" award and thus not truly independent. I downloaded the PDF for beer entrants and they charge 1100 Euros just to enter the competition. This sentence in our article Monde Selection raises additional concerns: "About half of the products come from Japan. 80% of the products presented by Japanese companies are awarded prizes." So, my question is, should we consider a Monde Selection award, by consensus, an inherent claim of notability like an Academy Award, a Nobel Prize, or (I would argue) a Michelin star? And if not, should a single newspaper article reporting on that prize and quoting the company's representatives about how wonderful it all is be considered as conclusive evidence of notability? I am reading a Google Translate version of the coverage in De Standaard, so what I say next could well be wrong. But it reads to me as a reprint or a superficial rewrite of a press release from the brewery, rather than truly independent editorial material rising to the level of significant coverage. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:42, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep.
Andrew Stroehlein, a 43-year-old from Morristown, New Jersey, is trying to become the first person in the world to try all of Belgium’s 800-some beers. In doing so, he’s put together one of the handiest Belgian beer references in English on the web. Andrew Stroehlein works in Brussels as a spokesman for the International Crisis Group. With index cards and little stories on 400 Belgian beers, lists of top beers and bars in Brussels, the site has become a handy resource, especially for beer aficionados in the U.S. Source: The Wall Street Journal 6 juli 2011. You can read his appreciation of the Herkenrode Tripel at http://40beersat40.blogspot.com/2011/01/herkenrode-tripel.html User:Willy Leenders16:45, 9 January 2012 UTC
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