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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 05:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Mortensen (actor)[edit]

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Non-notable child of Viggo Mortensen. Only has done small bit parts in movies. Notability is not inherited. Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Per nom, not much more to say. Maybe one day. Heck, I'd be OK with a redirect. But not a standalone bio. §FreeRangeFrog 04:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, but I do not agree with a redirect. §hawnpoo 04:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, although his father is a famous he is not and therefore does not qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia. Rosie, Queen of Corona (talk) 05:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as he's also done some records, with his father as well as other notable artists such as Buckethead and Travis Dickerson, not to mention Elijah Wood and his mother Exene Cervenka. I will do what I can to find some good sources and improve the article.
  • Move to Henry Mortensen since the "(actor)" is more than misleading and the other is only a redirect anyway.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 05:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doesn't look like he passes WP:MUSICBIO, barring further evidence, and he fails WP:ENTERTAINER. The relationship between father and son merits some coverage, so I would recommend merging those parts of this article to Viggo Mortensen (which already has a bit, but could be fleshed out). Baileypalblue (talk) 05:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Google does not say much I have to admit. But why his father and not his mother, Exene Cervenka? See the problem? --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 06:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looking over the newly added material, I still don't think sufficient notability is established for a stand-alone article. None of the albums were major label releases, so barring RS coverage specifically on his work as a musician he fails WP:MUSICBIO. His work as a DJ, college writer and poet would likewise only be notable if it attracted independent RS coverage. His collaboration with his father seems much more substantial than with his mother (don't think he'll ever merit more than two sentences in her bio) so merge/redirecting to his father's article rather than his mother's seems to be in order. Baileypalblue (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP - I NOMINATE GOGO DODO BE BANNED FROM WIKIPEDIA - I suspect this person is the one who vandalized the director's page with rude remarks. I added films on the director's page and here for First Canyon Rain, because I noticed there was vandalism on the director's page that looks an awful lot like some of the remarks this Gogo Dodo is making all over the place this evening on pages I updated. I am not affiliated with the director or the films but noticed Henry Mortensen was debuting in his first short film and thought that shoudl be something added to Wikipedia. Also this person obviously knows nothing about film - the remarks made about the films added show they are not even mildly knowledgeable about any of the people Gogo Dodo is criticizing for their work all over Wikipedia tonight. WLaccount (talk) 07:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First, please see WP:NPA. Second, WP:AFD is a system of checks and balances. No one is going to delete an article just because an editor wants it gone, it will be deleted or kept based on whether or not it meets the (very clear) guidelines for inclusion. §FreeRangeFrog 07:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- Notability wasn't inherited from his father, looks like he went out and earned it on his own. Umbralcorax (talk) 08:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT - It seems the editor and a few others want to criticize no matter what - the remarks state Henry Mortensen does not do work on his own but then when we post work he is doing on his own, they criticize that we posted work he's doing on his own. Not cool. WLaccount (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WLaccount: Please withdraw your comments about Gogo Dodo. [addendum] And please withdraw your comments to Shawnpoo too. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He didnt only do it to Gogo Dodo. He gave me a little rant on ym talk page for voting to delete his other page. §hawnpoo 08:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete - I don't think that ad-actors are notable, and there's not enough else to assert it. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 08:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where do you get this ad-actor from? Did you click the links? He worded and designed some anti-drug ads for a notable newspaper. People, please do your job thoroughly when it comes to deletion of an old article... --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 08:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do apologise, I clearly misread the sources. I have failed in my entirely voluntary "job", certainly ;-) However, my !vote still stands, I don't consider ad-designers notable either, tbh. The fact that they're anti-drug ads is rather nice, but not relevant, as far as I can see. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 09:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - delete the albums? Why? WP:MUSIC reeads In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Do you want to fatten the Viggo article? (Which would be the only place to merge the nine or ten albums.) The credits are quite impressive, if you ask me. But as there is no band or project name floating around, and the ensemble is different for every release, I don't see a better way to cover them than the status quo.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 21:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to AFD them, but they don't appear to be notable. I guess in that he is, you make a point that they are. In that some don't have a label listed and others have a non-notable label, along with the fact that they are mostly little more than a track listing, which could easily be obtained from any number of websites, they just seem pointless. But again, I'm not going to AFD them. I was just pointing it out. ₳dam Zel 00:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They were set up not long ago within two days or so by User:Pachon and need some expanding, yes. Most of them were released/distributed by TDRS Music which should be notable enough if you look at the list of artists. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 00:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Thank you for that extra info. I did not look at the history of the articles. ₳dam Zel 17:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - He's done plenty on his own A20anna (talk) 18:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC) — A20anna (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Comment - since this "notability is not inherited" claim still is flaoting around. I'm sure that notable musicians like ex-GN'R guitarist Buckethead (just put in Slash if you are more familiar with that guy) would not play on about ten albums with the child of a famous guy. One, maybe - maybe even two but probably not nine or ten. Also note that Henry did not play on one or two tracks on each of those albums, but was an integral part of the band, mostly playing bass. Also note that TDRS Music as stated before is quite notable, having released albums by Linda Ronstadt, Bill Laswell and Jethro Tull besides others. This is an independent label, yes - but it's without doubt notable. Also the notable newspaper he works for, this time completely without his Dad, is sure not letting him release drawings, essays and ads just for being a Mortensen. Not to mention recent theatre and movie projects. A quite impressive CV for 21 years I'd say and more and more out of the shadow of his old guy. Use common sense. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 20:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as has created his own notability, just as Michael did even though the son of Kirk. Yes, he's not in the same league as the Douglas' but he passes... just. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Let me get this straight... you're comparing Henry Mortensen's work to Michael Douglas' work? -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gee. No. You thought that? I believe my point was that a son does not gain notability from a father... that he gains it for himself, as Henry has. The Douglas situation was simply an example of son gaining notability seperate from the father, as many notables have offspring that are not themselves notable... and I am fairly certain that my words "he's not in the same league as the Douglas'" could not be miscontrued any other way. But thank you for the chuckle. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete Almost there. Clearly (actor) is not the most appropriate dab so the page should be moved if kept. Acting falls well short for now. First Canyon Rain may change that in the future but it is now only an unfinished short. As a musician he has played on many albums by a notable artist, however there is no evidence he was more than a studio player. Even if he was a member he needs something outside of that to justify his own article. The long list of artists who also contibuted to these albums does not help make Henry notable. Most of the albums show no notability beyond being by a notable artist with no independent coverage and as they should not have there own articles. Henry's writing for ads and The Fed are not reasons for notability. The closest he comes is with 3 Fools 4 April which is why this is a weak delete. Duffbeerforme (talk) 05:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete : agree with Duffbeer. A search indicates insufficient notability on his own. JamesBurns (talk) 09:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He has acted and he is working on music as well. He may not be as well known as his dad, but he should have a page separate from his father, since he is not Viggo. Quistisffviii (talk) 03:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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