Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hayashi Yoichi

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The result of the debate was delete. – Alphax ^τεχ 05:34, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hayashi Yoichi[edit]

OK I'm bringing this one in as kind of a test case. Hayashi Yoichi seems to work for Konami on music video games. The article is linked to from the List of Bemani musicians, Bemani being the name of Konami's musical games division. The list itself seems questionable to me in it's notability, but the sheer volume of red links to other music video game artists kind of scares me. I don't really think working on a musical video game is terribly notable, but I'm interested in hearing community opinion. Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 03:44, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

After a quick look over the parent list article, it seems to be some kind of ugly, ugly list of various people who work in Konami's music department, and an unverifiable list of pseudonyms they've worked under. I've removed all the redlinks, to try and discourage further ones being made. I'd be tempted to remove all the pseudonyms (or at least most of them) on the list, also. But that's sidetracking. The actual article you've nominated is a delete as not notable IMO, but some of the people on the list are more notable than Mr Yoichi, so be carful about mass-nominating them all. Proto t c 11:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not mass nominating anyone yet, most of the links on that list were red, I just wanted to establish some kind of precedent first, by seeing how this nomination fared. Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 16:06, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

- The pseudonyms are verifiable through original soundtrack booklets and other official Konami sources. [1] has compiled these sources. --SPUI (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
~~No vote~~ (see vote below). I'm sincerely conflicted on this one. Merely having a credit on a game does not make one notable, anymore than being Gaffer on a film would make one notable. On the other hand, its clear that a game music composer or sound designer could be notable. It's just that this article doesn't actually assert that notability in any way I can understand. I'd like to invite the author of the article to clearly state why this person is notable, beyond his name appearing in the credits of a game. I almost wish there was a variant of WP:MUSIC specifically for "embedded music" such as in movies and games to provide us with guidance. Nandesuka 12:54, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, contributing music to a popular series of music games is even more notable than having a top 100 hit single. Kappa 13:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I was conflicted, but you just pushed me over the edge with your patently ridiculous assertion. Nandesuka 12:46, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm disappointed that you would be voting on personal feelings rather than the merits of the case. Please think of the users, wikipedia content is not your personal property to dispose of at your whim. Kappa 12:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - You misunderstand, of course, just as you misstate my intentions. Perhaps you should stick to describing your own rather than inventing motivations for others. Your ridiculous claim merely served as the catalyst to demonstrate exactly how non-notable this sound engineer is. From that perspective, I suppose I should thank you for placing the issue in such clear relief. Thanks! Nandesuka 14:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      - As the article makes clear, he composes music, so he is not just a sound engineer. I have no idea why my assertion is "patently ridiculous" so there is no point trying to explain it or asking you to explain why. Kappa 16:51, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, non-notable. Sdedeo 13:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I think the phrase "generally ignored" in the article itself best exemplifies how wikipedia ought to view people who's only claim to fame is adding music to music games. Sorry, Kappa, but as far as I can tell, this guy is just an average sound engineer, not a musician. --Scimitar ^parley 14:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- He is a composer, [2] confirms this. --TimPope 18:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nn. R adiant _>|< 15:16, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, pop'n music is a VERY popular game in Japan, there are 11 arcade and Playstation versions, which unfortunately have never been released in the west. I am quite confident that he meets the WP:BIO criterion of being known by at least 5,000 people. --TimPope 18:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I don't put much store by the arbitrary numer in WP:BIO as 5000 people is nothing (or at least, not enough for me). He is involved in music-making for video games; that's not special. -Splash 19:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I've been checking out sales figures for the pop'n music series, [3] tells us that pop'n music 9 sold 14,874 copies in one week --TimPope 19:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Rob Hubbard yes. Martin Galway yes. These people are titans. Hayashi Yoichi is no Jack Kennedy.-Ashley Pomeroy 22:09, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain as I'm not sure where the line should be drawn here. I think that extremely prolific composers for this sort of game (e.g., Naoki Maeda) are certainly notable enough to merit their own article, even though they fail all the steps at WP:MUSIC. But the writers of one song on DDR 3rd Mix who were never heard from again are probably not worthy. This article is in a gray area to me. ESkog 23:16, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Creating one or two songs on a game, unless they can be shown to be songs that, individually, were wildly popular, does not smack of notability to me. I'd compare it to "mainstream" muscician who's only work on a major label production was in a single track as a guest, rather than a whole CD. --Icelight 00:05, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
- "He is the composer of works in nearly every home version". There seem to be 11 or more home versions, so that's more than one or two songs. Kappa 16:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Borderline notable. Sam Vimes 12:17, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nn. Grue 19:20, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep composer of at least 38 songs, all on the popular pop'n music series, plus singer on others. --SPUI (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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