Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hasan Masurica

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The result was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hasan Masurica

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Article about this "inventor" has utterly zero citations and a lot of the material is very thoroughly dubious. For example, building an "airplane" out of poplar, and doing so in the 1890s-- which was when the first structures were built in other places. Smells like a hoax. --Calthinus (talk) 16:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article also flatly contradicts itself-- at one point it says his "first invention" was in 1902, after that alleged airplane he "invented". --Calthinus (talk) 16:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The more I look at this article the dumber it gets. We have random quotes from his "life" as well as his grades in grade school (in an institution I strongly suspect didn't actually exist as most schools in Kosovo at that time would likely have Turkish or Arabic, not Albanian, names...). --Calthinus (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as proposer. --Calthinus (talk) 16:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I could find no reliable sources for anything in the article. There were some religious websites who only cited his family as their sources. Not at all serious considering their claims. Vargmali (talk) 17:33, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Perhaps a hoax, the article is of no value. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Unless anything can be found, this violates WP:V. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete looks like a good example of a violation to the WP:CCPOL Butch.labajo (talk) 23:47, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a potential hoax. It is impossible to believe what the article's subject claims to have invented airplanes out of poplar in the 1890s when there are no reliable sources to back up those claims and the article at times reads more like an incomplete fictional storybook than a article. 98.209.191.37 (talk) 12:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per WP:HOAX, the article violates WP:V. — Βατο (talk) 19:52, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If deleted, this would score over 6 years on WP:LISTHOAXES. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 22:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

sweet?--Calthinus (talk) 22:05, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Hoax articles like this show we need to tighten the process for creating articles. 6 years of existence for such a hoax is horrible.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:36, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - but probably not a straightforward hoax: After some Googling, I rather doubt that this is at least intentionally a hoax article. Some online mentions seem to date back at least ten years, well before the article was created. And some of these make reference to a Kosovan journalist, sq:Kadrush Sylejmani, who is stated by Albanian Wikipedia (using Google Translate) to have published two monographs, one in the 1970s and another in the early 1990s, on the subject. So far, I have relatively little doubt about the evidence. However, I have doubts about Sylejmani's reliability - there is at least one available review of the later monograph and, while enthusiastic, it reveals some awkward aspects. Sylejmani largely based his work on oral evidence from the subject's surviving family and friends; a couple of remarks make it obvious that he is willing to speculate beyond the available evidence; and (perhaps most embarrassingly) the reviewer clearly independently knew of an alternative account of the airplane episode in which the "airplane" was, rather more plausibly, actually a balloon. It may also be noted that, at the time he wrote the second monograph, Sylejmani was apparently strongly supporting the cause of Kosovan independence against then continuing rule by Serbia, and keen to highlight past Kosovan heroes who were clearly Muslim ethnic Albanian rather than Christian Serbian. The impression I get is that the subject almost certainly existed, and was quite likely a fairly capable amateur scientist in a rather unlikely setting. However, it seems very possible that local legends had been growing around him even before Sylejmani came on the scene, but that Sylejmani then managed to hype them to the point where I suspect that he convinced himself that a decent if derivative scientist who was also a no doubt pious Muslim local religious figure was a perfect Muslim pioneering scientific genius. Perhaps a hoax, but quite a while back now and not necessarily intentional. PWilkinson (talk) 19:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PWilkinson -- thanks a ton for doing this research on the issue! This explains a lot. --Calthinus (talk) 20:16, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- by the time of the later monograph, he was fairly clearly operating as a Kosovan propagandist against Serbian rule

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