Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hapoel Ramat Gan Givatayim B.C.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 09:28, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hapoel Ramat Gan Givatayim B.C.

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Does not pass the guidelines outlined at WP:Notability (organizations and companies), nor does it independently qualify for WP:GNG. References are primary only. Insert CleverPhrase Here 22:31, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:37, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:38, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ - Hard to believe that a basketball team that has been in the Israeli Basketball Premier League, the top league in Israel, would not have gotten sufficient coverage (in Israel, at least, and admittedly mostly in Hebrew) to meet GNG. Rlendog (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rlendog, this team plays in a second tier league in Israel, not the top tier. Currently plays in the Liga Leumit, not the Ligat HaAl (the Israeli Basketball Premier League), ~~and only played in the Ligat HaAl for a brief time in 1960, shortly after the Ligat HaAl began.~~ Insert CleverPhrase Here 23:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But they did spend time in the premier league. And over 50+ years, even a 2nd tier team would likely get significant coverage. Rlendog (talk) 13:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, after getting myself confused as hell when searching for sources due to the identically named football team, I've figured out what is going on here. The team in the current article we are talking about here has only existed since 2011, and the much older (and identically named) team that was disbanded in 1988 was Hapoel_Ramat_Gan_B.C., which has its own article and was in the premier league several times. This material is copied into the 'history' section of this article, but is not really about this team, which has only existed since 2011, has never played in the premier league, and has only played in the third tier and second tier (last season only). These two articles are essentially identical, with the Hapoel_Ramat_Gan_B.C. article noting the new team, and this article using the older team of the same name as a crutch for notability. Insert CleverPhrase Here 20:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For now I will strike my keep. I still think even a team in a country's 2nd tier league is very likely to generate significant coverage, but not as certain as for a team that has been in the top tier. Rlendog (talk) 22:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To note, there is no hebrew version of this article. There is however a Hebrew version of Hapoel Ramat Gan B.C. which from the layout seems to include the information about this new version of the team. (see this google translation). perhaps the best course of action is to merge the content of this article into that one and redirect this article to that one. Insert CleverPhrase Here 21:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I have merged some content into the other article (as it seems relevant there anyway). and would suggest that this AfD be closed as Redirect. @Y: @Rlendog: Insert CleverPhrase Here 22:03, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. Rlendog (talk) 16:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

well, if it's a minor league team, let's delete it. -- Y not? 11:35, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.