Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hammadid expedition to Tlemcen (1058)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 04:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hammadid expedition to Tlemcen (1058)[edit]

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I think this article is a combination of embroidery and original research. The background section does not relate specifically to the topic and is in any case unclear in meaning. The substantive content of the article is the two sentences “ The Hammadids launched a campaign against the Ifrenids, seizing Tlemcen in the process. However, they opted not to retain control over the city and instead focused on consolidating their holdings in the eastern regions.” This carries three citations, of which two are offline but the third does not support the existence of a Hammadid expedition to Tlemcen in 1058. The aftermath section, like the background, is just generic padding. There is very little substance here, what there is is not supported by the accessible source, and a search for “hammadid tlemcen” and “tlemcen 1058” brings up nothing at all to support the existence of this expedition, never mind its notability Mccapra (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Algeria. Mccapra (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I forgot to add that source five provided by the creator is meant to support the statement “ The remaining Banu Ifran in Tlemcen were massacred by Yusuf ibn Tashfin” but it us actually a scholarly catalogue of beetles. Mccapra (talk) 22:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and History. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I thought this would be yet another passing mention somewhere being turned into a military history stub, but I can't even find any mention of this anywhere, even in passing. For the three cited sources: 1) Ibn Khaldun doesn't say this; 2) Ferchain isn't accessible but a Google snippet search ([1]) doesn't even find the date "1058" inside; and 3) a historical atlas (Lugan) is unlikely to mention an evidently minor event in any detail. A brief search of other books and articles yields nothing. No way this meets notability, even if it were accurate. R Prazeres (talk) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not eligible for soft-deletion as a recently-restored article (redirect was reverted).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 04:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per R Prazeres. -- asilvering (talk) 04:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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