Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haleth

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The result was delete. Could be recreated as a redirect if there is an appropriate target. RL0919 (talk) 05:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Haleth[edit]

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Apparently non-notable fictional character. The article is uncited, but I was able to find one source: a 1996 Mythlore article titled "Power in Arda: Sources, uses and misuses" (EL Crowe) seems to discuss the figure reasonably in-depth, but there's nothing else I can find. There's a couple of brief references, but between the brief mentions and the Crowe article, there's still not enough for a stand-alone article. Note: a lot of the references are not to this Haleth: There's also the House of Haleth (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Haleth and a very minor Haleth (that Haleth is male, this one from the nom is female and from a much earlier timeframe in Tolkien). I think almost all of the Tolkiencruft is gone, but this article doesn't pass WP:GNG. Doesn't seem to be mentioned at the Silmarillion or The War of the Jewels articles, so a redirect may not be in order. Hog Farm (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the Silmarillion – Actually it looks as though she appears at least as a reasonably significant minor character in the Silmarillion, but I'm not finding enough significant coverage in reliable secondary sources to establish independent notability. The best I can come up with besides the source Hog Farm found above (linked here) is a Mary Sue article; otherwise it's just a collection of passing mentions and/or glossary entries in several Tolkien analysis books. CThomas³ (talk) 07:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cthomas3: She is a character in the Silmarillion and The War of the Jewels, but I meant to say that she is not mentioned at the article for either of those pages. I would have no objections to adding a short bit of information about this character to the Silmarillion page, but unless that is done, I would be wary of redirecting to an article where the character is not mentioned. Hog Farm (talk) 13:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete one article is not enough to show notability. I do not see why we need a redirect. I am also less convinced than some that we are anywhere near having freed ourselves of unneeded Tolkiencruft. For one think we have lots and lots of articles that are still overly in-universe, and there is some indication that some eidtors will resist attempts to make them less in-universe. There is also a major lack of sources on articles, even ones that some seem to assume are about notable subjects.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, the article fails GNG, impressively sourced to absolutely nothing. All potential redirect targets either do not mention the character, or very clearly fail GNG as well, and specifically I do not think adding information about Haleth to the article on the Silmarillion is the right thing to do. Devonian Wombat (talk) 22:47, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Haleth is a minor character in Tolkien's legendarium. Honestly, she is less notable than the other Haleth. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 03:43, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom.--Jack Upland (talk) 22:26, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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