Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hadley Corner (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus as to this business venture renting new space to 9 stores. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hadley Corner

Planned shopping center that doesn't seem to be the subject of reliable sources. One source is an opinion column, the other is more about another mall than this one. I can find no other reliable sources about this mall, just press releases. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes, I realize (just now) that the last deletion was only a month ago. The main concerns in the last deletion discussion were WP:CRYSTAL, which I don't see as a problem here. I feel that the sources don't meet WP:V/WP:RS. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Grr, this is crazy -- they already have Mountain Farms across the street and the Hampshire Mall kittycornered across, are they insane? (takes a deep breath) Sorry, ex-resident speaking, grousing at more farm land torn up. Anyway, back to the point. I agree that the last AfD was only a month in the past, but the unanimous ground which the Keep voters proffered was that filing ninety minutes after creation didn't give the article a chance. In that time the creator has added but a single sentence, and no more sources than that. The article has had a chance, and this is no less a WP:CRYSTAL and WP:V problem than before. Therefore, Delete, without prejudice to recreation when there's something about which to create. RGTraynor 14:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I echo that sentiment. That particular region seems over-retailed, especially when they can't even keep their *(@#$ mall full... Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 14:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I can add images of the progress made, and contact the developer to find out what stores besides Home Depot are currently planned, I can't argue that the article as it stands is sparse. I was hoping for help from the editor who fleshed out the two malls across the street, but either he hasn't been around or he hasn't found anything either. Since I haven't heard from him, I can't know. What I can do is to save the article locally until I have sufficient data to re-establish it with enough information to be worthwhile. Does that sound reasonable?

User:TenPoundHammer,, I appreciate the tact. Really. Wikipedia:WikiProject Shopping Centers is not my project, so perhaps it was a bit arrogant to try this. BTW, yeah, are they nuts is a good question, but I'm not sure. The idea of using the fallow commercial land in that location is hard to argue with, and the specific stores we already know about sound reasonable. It's the Lowe's currently being considered for the location next to the bison farm west on Route 9 that really bothers me! - Denimadept (talk) 14:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can move it to your userspace, making a page something like User:Denimadept/Hadley Corner, where you can work on the article yourself until a.) the center is completed or b.) actual sources show up. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 14:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the "over retail-ization" of the area is intresting and unusual, as well the odd working relationship between Hampshire Mall, Mountain Farms Mall & Hadley Corner provides some notability. Individually, these items would not make the bar, but collectivly I believe they do. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 04:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Exit2DOS2000 collectively these are notable. RFerreira (talk) 21:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. I am not sure that the argument of collective notability is valid but if it is, it would be grounds for a collective article, not for the preservation of individual articles. (No objection to a merger and redirect to a collective article if one is created.) Rossami (talk) 23:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Agreed. Whether there is anything unusually notable about three shopping malls clustered in a small area is debatable (but certainly not unique even in the Connecticut Valley, cf. Enfield), but one would think that (a) there'd be an article covering that if it were the case, and (b) there'd have to be three shopping malls in Hadley, and as of yet there is not. RGTraynor 23:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Several closely-bunched shopping malls is nothing notable. Grand Rapids, Michigan has three enclosed shopping malls and a metric buttload of strip malls all along the 28th Street corridor or nearby. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.